Democrats versus Republicans

[PBzeer]

The War on Terror, is an open ended conflict against a theological ideaology. As such, there is no quantifiable point at which it can be said to be won, short of the elimination of all who espouse it, or making them incapable of further their aims. I believe Bush is, and was, well aware it would not be over during his Presidency, or even in his lifetime.

Selfishly, I'm quite happy to have the violence happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, rather than on American soil. Because, I have no doubt what-so-ever, there will be violence. To think otherwise, in light of both the Islamic terrorist's words and deeds, is at best, naive.

[sck5]

PB who are you quoting with this nonsense?

"There are no Islamic terrorist, only disgruntled Arabs, who are reacting to Western imperalisim. That they invoke the name of Allah, is no reflection upon the Muslim religion, so there is no jihad being waged.

Anyone who opposes these "disgruntled Arabs" is both ignorant and bigoted, because they don't personally know them."

It sure isnt me or anyone I have ever read. You certainly do have a vivid imagination!!!

But if you believe that the existence of terrorists means all 1.2 billion Muslims are somehow to blame, then you must REALLY be pissed off at Timothy McVeigh because simple logic would then require you to believe all Christians are to blame for HIS terrorism. And what fool would believe that?

[SailorMitch]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

Mitch, not to quibble, but important, doesn't necessarily mean top priority. There are many things on my boat that are important, but are not the first things I address during maintainence. That sck5 does not choose his words properly, is not Sway's fault. He responded to the assertion that the capture, or death of bin Ladin was of no concern, ie: unimportant. Saying it isn't a top priority in no way lessens it's importance, only the order in which it is addressed.

pb---you deserve a job in the white house press office for the spin you put on this. if the capture of obl were still important, but not a top priority, why shut down the CIA group formed to find OBL just another bush decision that makes no sense about this war? and I don't understand all the sensitivity about this little side bar topic.so maybe SCK5 didn't say it just right but it's clear that bush backed away from the hunt for OBL. is it so egregious to concede that point? after all, bush could never find OBL anyway and perhaps he was tired of answering all the questions about why he had failef to find OBL. so his response was to cease making it a priority for the military. so just maybe this was yet another way to spin things to deflect attention from his failed "dead or alive" edict to find OBL? and at this point does it matter?

[SailorMitch]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

The War on Terror, is an open ended conflict against a theological ideaology. As such, there is no quantifiable point at which it can be said to be won, short of the elimination of all who espouse it, or making them incapable of further their aims. I believe Bush is, and was, well aware it would not be over during his Presidency, or even in his lifetime.

Selfishly, I'm quite happy to have the violence happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, rather than on American soil. Because, I have no doubt what-so-ever, there will be violence. To think otherwise, in light of both the Islamic terrorist's words and deeds, is at best, naive.

ok-- then why the theatrics of the embarrassing "mission accomplished show?clearly bush wanted to claim victory.


agreed that the "global war on terrorism" could last eons if we really try to kill all muslims as some of you suggest. but other than the despised iranians wo do we kill next? anyone in a foreign country who burns an American flag?
seriously think about how to conduct such a war. absent blatant attacks on us, what happens next?

I also do not think any of our politicians ever thougt the war in iraq would last longer than WWII the big one. going into i think everyone had an expectation that we would whip the terrorists in iraq and afghan, bring the boys/girls home for a big parade and maybe unfurl a big "mission Accomplished banner. oops, bush did that what--4 years ago and some 3,000 lives later.
sorry, but i think Bush (or now) the next president needs to state clearly what the end state is for this war. if we keep so many troops in iraq, them cam's dream of invading iran won't be possible.

[camaraderie]

Mitch...actually my dream is simply a few well placed cruise missles that would end their nuke ambitions and send Mr. A to his 72 virgins. (Note...that is not killing all muslims...just a bit of cancer surgery!) I'm willing to wait a bit longer but if I was an Israeli, I'd be getting pretty nervous.

[PBzeer]

Mitch - I am not a cheerleader for Bush. Nor am I able to read minds and now what people actually meant. It was my understanding that Bush was referring to the overthrow of Hussien, when he said Mission Accomplished. What he did mean, what he has done in the past, though, are meaningless to what is being done today.

If you read through my posts on various political topics, you'll know I'm no Bush fan. The one thing I give him credit for though, is that he managed to get through 8 years in the White House, without bringing shame upon the office with his personal behavior. Character, does matter.

sck5 - Did you, or did you not, cite western imperialism as the underlying cause of Arab unrest? Since you did, all else flows from that. Pay attention son, and say what you mean, if you don't want others to say it for you.

[Freesail99]

The one thing I give him credit for though, is that he managed to get through 8 years in the White House, without bringing shame upon the office with his personal behavior. Character, does matter.

John, I don't see it that way at all. He lied and moved facts to get us into Iraq, the "war". In doing so, 4000 dead, and another 30,000 families suffering every day with the injuries to their loved ones. I'm sorry, we had one president impeached for lying about a blow job and another's lies lead to the death and suffering of so many. It makes me sick when I think about this.

Character, does matter......

[PBzeer]

Sorry Paul, I don't buy that he intentionally lied to get us in Iraq, and, it's been shown, over and over again, that he was acting on what was considered good information. So I just don't buy the Bush lied routine. Just because people keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

[Freesail99]

What about Colin Powell in front of the UN? I believe that is the reason he resigned, because he was so embarrassed from the lies that he fed from the Bush administration unknownly to the UN. That was just one of the things that were done, to get us into Iraq.

[sck5]

If you dont think Bush lied then you didnt hear about the Downing st. memo

The Downing Street Memo :: What is it?

This was BIG news in the UK but got less press over here. Bush lied. He knew it and did it anyway. He is still doing it. It is one of the reasons his popularity is down to the mid 20's