..............The one thing I give him credit for though, is that he managed to get through 8 years in the White House, without bringing shame upon the office with his personal behavior. Character, does matter...........................
Really, that made me laugh out loud.... not lol but really laugh out loud. Jayme just asked me what the hell was so funny but i couldn't tell her cause i was laughing too hard.
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"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." - Albert Einstein
Ya'll can think what ya like. But if there was any credible evidence Bush intentionally lied to get us in Iraq, he wouldn't be president right now.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
cam, I find your answer to be unsatisfying. with all due respect, I'm not interested in what you or the other Bush apologists think the desired outcomes are to define success in this ill-concieved, ill-executed war. my question still is what does bush say the goals are? what does he see as the finish line so that we all know when we get there? other than the nebulous "win the war on terrorism" what does he want to achieve in iraq/afghan?
very funny about the war-mongering on iran absent direct threats to the US ( and not more of the slight of hand bush used for iraq.
What do you care? In seven months he's going to be out of office. Are you more interested in a gotcha game over the past or what the future might hold and how we should address it?
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John,
I'm afraid you're wasting your time. You've got one guy who can't read the instructions on how to assemble a swing-set without wondering how the swing-set feels about it. And he probably feels that the directions offered by the manufacturer are just corporate propaganda, to boot.
The other guy is locked in a time warp where it's always late 2002. Life and history ended there.
And then you've got the latest from the peanut gallery, who somehow equates on a moral level misunderstandings about the lips wrapped around one's manhood with misinformation about a country half a world away supplied by the world's intelligence services.
Any one of these vacuous minded individuals could take two minutes to look up the late Mr. Hussein's interviews with the FBI, just before he achieved room temperature, and read where he said that he needed to present himself as having the weapons to maintain his position in the region. The ex-FBI agent/ interrogator has a book out on the matter. None of the three will bother because it's easier to jump to, and hold, conclusions that fit the chic liberal ethos.
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Sway - I have neither need, nor expectation, of agreement. Nor even reason to justify, what I believe. I arrive at my own conclusions, based on my own perusal of the available information. Anyone, and everyone, is free to disagree with my conclusions, and I am even willing to change them, given actual, creditable information that I am in error. Such information though, has not been presented here.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
Yes, sck5, the "Downing St memo" is so creditable, that the US media, which has demonstrated time and time again, that they would like nothing better than to bring Bush down, has basically ignored it. A media that have tried to invent scandal, where none existed, and even fabricated evidence, has ignored, what amounts to the only source of TRUTH about Bush's behavior.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
Even if the same is not elected to office in 100 days of the inauguration, the same will be correlated with whatever change, and the change will not be given out at that gas dock.
Though I quite often find Ann Coulter to be rather tasteless, she does raise a rather salient point vis-a-vis the Democratic Primary. If one remembers 2000, the mantra was that Gore should have won, because he won the popular vote, despite losing in the electoral college. Fast forward to 2008, and suddenly, the popular vote is meaningless (ala Hillary) as compared to the established procedure of winning delegates (ala Obama).
One can only be amazed by the lack of consistency, and adherence to principle, demonstrated by such blatantly situational politics.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
Actually you (or ann coulter) have it wrong about 2000. What Dems said was that Gore won the electoral vote too since when the Wall St. Journal consortium recounted the FLorida votes, Gore won no matter what criterion for hanging chads they used. That he also won the popular vote is just icing on the cake. Dems know full well how the system works as repubs will find out in November.
The only votes in 2000 that mattered in the end were those of the 5 Supreme Court justices who stopped the Florida recount and crowned Bush the winner. THAT is what pisses off Democrats - that it was judges and not voters who decided the matter.
Many republicans see the same world I do but come to different conclusions. Ann Coulter isnt one of them. She just makes stuff up. You really ought to find a better republican to listen to - They are out there.
Sck5, I could care less what the reps or dems say about the florida recount. It both of they're fault. And I might add why I'm an independent. Both canidates sent they're washington lawers down and started filling law suits before the the state government could enforce it's own laws concerning the results of the election. The difference between the canidates was so small that ten times that number of voters didn't get to vote because of personal emergencies that kept them from the poles.
This means neither one of them won Florida. But they sure did send plenty of washington elites to make sure us crackers were counting right. That more then any thing else I've ever seen showed me how little respect washington has for the people of America. You can't blame the courts on that one. It was the campaigns and the canidates who kept forcing the issue. In fact it was Gore who pushed for the second recount to be suspended.
As far as the democratic party being offend by the outcome they can kiss my a$$. My vote was counted as was all the votes cast in florida, and its the canidates fault that neither of them won the state. It was a virtual tie. And any suggestion that wall st or any other bunch was involved is bull. Since then, federal and state laws have cost the state of florida millions and left it with a very hackable and even less open voting system and its still costing millions to try and solve that crappy system. So quit grousing about the 2000 recount, the only people who got screwed by that are the Florida tax payers.
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