Democrats versus Republicans

[SailorMitch]

Originally Posted by Freesail99

And what is keeping them there, looking over their shoulder for flying lead ? I know if someone is throwing rocks at me, I move on after throwing some back. Who in there right mind would stand there and take it ?

freesail-- sssshhhh! you might destroy one of their illusions. You're right-- it makes no sense for theterrorists to battle our hardened troops over there when we still have unguarded borders and ports here and loads of easy targets they could hit if it suited them. here in baltimore gas and fuel tankers are being stolen quite a bit-- and usually found empty somewhere in the city. talk about easy pickings!

[PBzeer]

Mitch = I've never claimed that McCain was honest, hence, his reply wasn't apropos to what I posted. Personally, I don't think either candidate is much more than the same old "promise em anything' politician.

I don't think either one will do much to reign in federall spending. Especially Obama, since he's hoping to pay for all the goodies he want's to give away, with new taxes, which will only slow down an already sluggish economy. As well as create new entitlements, without fixing the one's we have already, that are going broke. And I don't see McCain doing much better. They are both, big government politicos.

[PBzeer]

Paul - what keeps them there, is because that is their best chance to win. If they attack here, the anti-war crowd is silenced, and the efforts will be increased. If they wait it out, like the Viet Cong, they hope to achieve their ends politically, since they can't do so militarily.

If the Dems win big in the election, and we aren't basically out of Iraq by this time next year, then I can almost guarantee an attack on American soil, because they'll know their best chance is past.

[cardiacpaul]

ok, I've turned... I believe you...
I'm turning Muslim extremist on ya, ok? We can all just get along.
hey, its ok with you that I want you, your mama, your kids and your dog dead because you don't believe like I do, isn't it?
What time is dinner.
Did I mention that you jews and infidels must die if I'm to get my 72 virgins?
Oh, now wait, you know, we can get along... I think my country needs some US Dollars to rebuild, you cutting the check yet?
Oh, don't look over there, thats my uncle duct taping a bomb onto my little brother, thats ok with you, right?
Did you hear me say I need for you to be dead?

What time is dinner?
Please make sure that worthless property you call a wife is covered from head to toe, ok?

[PBzeer]

A view of the sainted Obama from the NYTs

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/op...on&oref=slogin

[sck5]

Gee, PB, Obama isnt who the Republican columnist wants him to be !! Maybe thats because he is who the DEMOCRATS want him to be!! Who would have imagined?

And since the Dems now outnumber the Repubs, get ready for President Obama!!! It will build your character to see him on the TV just as seeing that flaming idiot Bush has built mine !!

[PBzeer]

I keep hoping (geez, where have I heard that word before), that you'll quit assuming what I mean, and actually read what I say. But, much like the change that we are being promised, it's just an illusion.

I am sorry to hear that your character needed building up. Mine though, is in quite good repair, so I don't have that to look forward to. I am reminded though of the old cliche .... be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. So here's hoping you get all the change you want

[sck5]

oh dont worry. though it might be possible to have a worse president than mister bush it is extremely unlikely that obama is such a person. so change will almost certainly be a good thing. and as for building character, its always possible to improve yourself dont you think? at least until we achieve perfection (which i havent gotten to yet). and it is through adversity that we can learn more - but I am getting tired of political adversity and am so enjoying those news stories about "Republicans in Disarray" - I needed a break from the seemingly nonstop opportunities for growth through adversity that the last 8 years have brought us.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by Freesail99

I have to be honest and I would love someone to explain to me, I just never understood this.

How does fighting them ( the terrorist ) over there keep them from coming here ? I mean, would the terrorist rather fight an army with tanks, and jets and bombs and warships or do something like they did on 9/11 ? Are they that dumb or are we for believing that to be so ?

I just could never wrap my mind around that argument.

Free,

I'll admit that you have a good point and I'd normally be befuddled as to how to answer it. Fortunately I have the recent illustration of Saddam Hussein to draw upon. Saddam was the guy who got his tookus kicked in Kuwait and southern Iraq in the early nineties. Baghdad would be called Schwartzkopfville today if GHW Bush hadn't invoked the mercy rule. The vaunted fifth largest standing army in the world got waxed by a modest deployment of coalition forces. Given that history, and the repeated calls for compliance with UN mandates, from GW Bush one would have thought that Mr. Hussein might have recalled the last time he encountered the American fighting man. But no, he chose the big bluff. Apparently it's better to be dead than to be dishonored.

Osama and al-Qaeda made a similar mistake. Their calls to the Arab world to unite and drive the infidel from Iraq have been a mixed bag. While they've had a decent turn-out for the event, they and their leadership keep running into US Marines, if the odd Predator drone doesn't find them first. Regardless of what we think al-Qaeda bet the farm on Iraq. They couched it in terms of driving the infidel from the holy land. I really don't think they counted on alienating the Iraqis in the bargain. Nevertheless, their efforts have been towards winning Iraq and, with the forces in Afghanistan, their lines of communication have not been what they were pre-9/11. I think that goes a long way towards explaining why there have been no attacks on western soil.

A foolish tactical decision to fight within Iraq as well as the American military's ability to make them pay for that mistake have resulted in an al-Qaeda somewhat on their heels. It's only a guess if matters will stay this way but then too, one should remember that security is not the joke it was pre-9/11 either. As farcical as it may seem, security is tighter than pre-9/11 and nobody is getting a connecting flight through Berlin from Kabul to flight school in Florida any more. I hear recruiting is down as well now that you're pretty well assured of meeting Allah with the first US citizen you meet.

Remember the little soliloquy between Saddam and Colin Powell? Saddam claimed that 95% of the American populace couldn't find Iraq on a map. Powell responded that, unfortunately for Saddam, the other 5% of Americans were US Marines.

[wind_magic]

I've heard it said that most of the world thinks that Americans have a real problem with irony, that we don't understand it, don't "get" irony when we hear it, etc. I've become convinced that the reason people in the world think that about us is because when we hear irony we seem to have no reaction to it. The misunderstanding, however, is that the reason we don't react to irony isn't because we don't get it, but rather that in this country we are surrounded by so much irony that it's become too mundane for us to even pay any attention to. Similar to irony, we also have to put up with relativism.

What other country in the world could come up with stuff like this ....

• Killing terrorists actually creates more of them.
• Killing someone on death row is bad, but aborting babies is okay.
• We need more oil, but drilling and taking it out of the ground won't actually help.
• Etc ...

I don't know when it was that people started using these kinds of arguments, but I have never liked it, it's just another way for people to lie. You could say anything today ... "the sun comes up in the morning" ... and some xxxx would instinctively have the knee jerk reaction to say "No, ...", and then come up with reasons to support a counter-argument that the sun doesn't actually come up in the morning at all. It's absurd. I think the only reason it works so well on people is that it's so absurd that their brain freezes up and they aren't able to think anymore, the mental equivalent of throwing sand in somebodies eyes.