Democrats versus Republicans

[sck5]

Keep right on telling everyone how great Iraq is going. I go sailing for the day, come back and see that the thread is talking about how great Iraq is going so I look at Yahoo News. The headline on AP right this moment is

Female suicide bomber in Iraq kills 15, wounds 40

What planet are you guys on? You are so out of touch with reality you think what is going on in Iraq is GOOD?

All I can say is please keep it up. You are helping Obama!!

And as for Obama, good luck trying to convince ANYONE he is just the same as McCain on Iraq. He isnt. Everyone who lives in the real world knows it. All you can do is try to pretend he doesnt really mean it. Good luck!!!

[L02314564]

Originally Posted by sck5

Keep right on telling everyone how great Iraq is going. I go sailing for the day, come back and see that the thread is talking about how great Iraq is going so I look at Yahoo News. The headline on AP right this moment is

Female suicide bomber in Iraq kills 15, wounds 40

What planet are you guys on? You are so out of touch with reality you think what is going on in Iraq is GOOD?

All I can say is please keep it up. You are helping Obama!!

And as for Obama, good luck trying to convince ANYONE he is just the same as McCain on Iraq. He isnt. Everyone who lives in the real world knows it. All you can do is try to pretend he doesnt really mean it. Good luck!!!

A point to ponder: Suicide bombers were in Iraq before we got there and they will be there after we leave. They didn't just show up when we arrived. I have one son, three nephews, and a cousin in Iraq and one son and a son-in-law in Afganistan. Each say things are getting better everyday. Not perfect everyday, but better each day. They don't read the newspapers and don't watch the news because it doesn't reflect what is really going on over there. I will believe my children over the press everyday. They live the life every minute of everyday and I know they are proud to serve and I am proud of them for it.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by SailorMitch

had we not been diverted by the decider's fascination with Saddam, who posed no threat to us, perhaps we could have done it right in afghanistan and pakistan wiped out al qeada and obl there in a lot less than 5 years and not have bankrupted the treasury in the process. then we'd have the resources handy to fulfill your dream and invade iran.

Ahh!
I forgot about the liberal mind's casual acceptance of invading our Ally's sovereign territory. I hear it's much easier than invading our enemy's territory. Only the liberal mind could think it justifiable to invade an Ally's territory for the purpose of the capture of one man instead of considering the fact that, that one man is hunkered down in a cave some where living an 18th century existence and there's nowhere else on the planet he dares call home. Hard to believe that warmongerers such as us on the right over-looked the potential for invading Pakistan.

Of course, these are the same libs who decried any possibility of success in Afghanistan based upon the Red Army's experience there. As usual, the US military has put paid to that nonsense.

As for bankrupting the Treasury wasn't it just last week that you all were pillorying Rumsfeld for attempting to fight the war on the cheap? and it actually has been a pretty cheap war to fight, both in lives and dollars. I don't see any signs from the liberal left that they are overly concerned with not having money for significant expansions of the nanny state. (see presidential campaign of B. Obama, D-Ill.)

I don't think we really need to invade Iran, although it might speed up the inevitable. Funding dissident groups and targeted strikes at anything remotely nuclear would be adequate in my book. Come to think of it, it's an almost perfect time for another Iranian revolution, this one democratic in nature. Who's going to come to their aid?

See Mitch, another post focused on the events of five years ago. It's 2008 and time to clean the millennium confetti up from the living room unless you want to conserve resources by vacuuming at the end of the decade.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by sck5

Keep right on telling everyone how great Iraq is going. I go sailing for the day, come back and see that the thread is talking about how great Iraq is going so I look at Yahoo News. The headline on AP right this moment is

Female suicide bomber in Iraq kills 15, wounds 40

What planet are you guys on? You are so out of touch with reality you think what is going on in Iraq is GOOD?

All I can say is please keep it up. You are helping Obama!!

And as for Obama, good luck trying to convince ANYONE he is just the same as McCain on Iraq. He isnt. Everyone who lives in the real world knows it. All you can do is try to pretend he doesnt really mean it. Good luck!!!

Yeah, we're about as out of touch as the NYT on the matter. The New York Times > Log In

Both they and we think matters are going well. Only some type of ostrich could focus on a relatively minor bombing in a portion of the world where bombings are the norm, meanwhile ignoring the loss of life in a maritime disaster in a peaceful region of the world, and then question our sanity for observing good progress in Iraq. Out sailing? They don't call it sailing when you're riding on a starship out beyond the limits of human observation.

Posts like that are the reason they're called the Looney Left. They got the rep the old fashioned way; they earned it.

BTW, here's waht happened to thinking liberals: AEI - Books - Fighting Words (forthcoming)

[sailaway21]

There are certain signs that this man doesn't know what he thinks, or where he stands. The list grows...
Why did Obama rattle the issue of Jerusalem? - 06/21/2008 - MiamiHerald.com

[PBzeer]

Sorry Sway, gotta disagree with you about Obama not knowing what he thinks or where he stands. For whilst his grasp of the issues and realities may be, shall we say, somewhat ill-informed, he is steadfast and true to the only salient fact he cares about, namely, an Obama presidency.

Much like the Clintons, his one and only interest lies in ascending to the highest ranks of power, merely for the sake of occupancy. To think otherwise, flies in the face of his wholly unremarkable record of public service. Had he an interest in actually doing something for the country, his record would display his efforts, rather than the almost uninterrupted string of voting present. His public service, to date, has been little more than an ongoing effort to position himself for climbing the ladder of political power. Not one of activism in the pursuit of the goals he now claims to have.

All in all, one could easily state, he is the perfect candidate for our times. Smooth and glib with prepared remarks that go to great length, without actually saying anything, and an almost mystical sense of his own spiritual ascendancy. He provokes, not an intellectual response, but one of emotional, unthinking adherence to long discredited ideas of the Left. The penultimate candidate of style over substance.

[sailaway21]

I thought we'd already had the penultimate candidate of style over substance back in the 90's? What's the penultimate penultimate? You are, of course, correct-I just like counting the boxcars on the train wreck.

[PBzeer]

When one surveys the political landscape, at this point in time, I think it may prove to be a bad time to be a Democrat in the White House. I have a feeling, that whomever wins in November, will be facing a term defined on the world stage, and not the domestic one. Should this prove to be true, and Obama wins, it would be my guess he's looking at a one term presidency, that will be eeriely reminiscent of the unlamented Jimmy Carter.

There will be no resurrection of the "Golden Age of Camelot". The time for such, is long past. Though there may be a fleeting glimpse of such an ill-remembered idyllic time, events will soon erase the fervent dream. And the promised spiritual transformation of American politics will become just another empty slogan (for reference, read what the dems said before the '06 elections, and what they actually did, afterwards.)

One thing I will give Slick Willy credit for is that during his 8 years, despite his personal peccidillos, he was a pragmatic politico. And while Obama has shown he knows how to play the game, I think he'll be so caught up in his own hype, he'll squander his opportunity.

[cardiacpaul]

"I have one son, three nephews, and a cousin in Iraq and one son and a son-in-law in Afganistan. Each say things are getting better everyday. Not perfect everyday, but better each day"

Please, thank yours for their service to our country.
I lost a nephew in Iraq on Thanksgiving 2005. A 12 yr vet, on his second tour. His unit was "in charge" for a time of protecting a CNN news crew gathering info on the progress...

They took them all over, showing them rebuilt-staffed and re-equipped fire dept. stations, schools where girls were being taught for the first time, where water wells had been dug and then poisoned by "insurgents", rebuilt markets, pumping oil wells....

The News crew took about 5 minutes of that footage, then spent an hour filming the burned out hulk of a station wagon that had been used in a suicide bombing a month before.

when my nephew, a S.Sgt, told his Lt. (the daughter of a Brig. General,) who is now the head of The Provost Marshal General of the Army, and the Commander of the Army Criminal Investigation Command, she politely mentioned to the talking heads over chow that they may want to keep their heads down tomorrow, 'cuz they were heading into a known hotbed...
The CNN crew bugged out before the carrot cake was served.

[L02314564]

Originally Posted by cardiacpaul

"I have one son, three nephews, and a cousin in Iraq and one son and a son-in-law in Afganistan. Each say things are getting better everyday. Not perfect everyday, but better each day"

Please, thank yours for their service to our country.
I lost a nephew in Iraq on Thanksgiving 2005. A 12 yr vet, on his second tour. His unit was "in charge" for a time of protecting a CNN news crew gathering info on the progress...

They took them all over, showing them rebuilt-staffed and re-equipped fire dept. stations, schools where girls were being taught for the first time, where water wells had been dug and then poisoned by "insurgents", rebuilt markets, pumping oil wells....

The News crew took about 5 minutes of that footage, then spent an hour filming the burned out hulk of a station wagon that had been used in a suicide bombing a month before.

when my nephew, a S.Sgt, told his Lt. (the daughter of a Brig. General,) who is now the head of The Provost Marshal General of the Army, and the Commander of the Army Criminal Investigation Command, she politely mentioned to the talking heads over chow that they may want to keep their heads down tomorrow, 'cuz they were heading into a known hotbed...
The CNN crew bugged out before the carrot cake was served.

Thank you for your kind words. I am truly sorry for your loss.

My son speaks often of the waste of time and effort expended escorting the news crews around because they (news crews) rarely, if at all, report on the positive things and events in Iraq but choose to instead, highlight the negatives. He says the positives far out weigh the negatives, but the news doesn't seem to care.

My chest swells with pride for our men and women over there, but I also pray for their safe return every hour of every day.