Democrats versus Republicans

[sck5]

Just to be clear - Joe Lieberman isnt a Democrat. He got elected as an Independent by defeating the Democrat who was nominated by the party. Why on earth would dems like a man who openly supports the republican candidate? He may not be a down-the-line Repub but on the most important issue of the moment (i.e. who should be president) he is against the dems and for the repubs. So we DO "get him" - he is for our opponent and against us. And no, we dont "appreciate" that.

[PBzeer]

So sck5, the party of tolerance and diversity has no room for anyone who doesn't agree with them 100%? Ol Joe disagrees about Iraq, but is straight down the line on the rest of the Dem agenda, but it's not allowed to have an opinion contrary to what you're told to think, is it? Yeah, them damn guys that stand on principle, unlike some others we could name, are a big pain in the butt, huh?

[poopdeckpappy]

Originally Posted by sck5

Just to be clear - Joe Lieberman isnt a Democrat. He got elected as an Independent by defeating the Democrat who was nominated by the party. Why on earth would dems like a man who openly supports the republican candidate? He may not be a down-the-line Repub but on the most important issue of the moment (i.e. who should be president) he is against the dems and for the repubs. So we DO "get him" - he is for our opponent and against us. And no, we dont "appreciate" that.

No worries Sck, if Obama ends up as C in C, I'm sure Joe Lieberman along with the rest of us will soon be headed for the reeducation camps


победа в Соединенных Штатах, Comrade

[Sailormon6]

Originally Posted by sck5

Bush reaches levels of popularity even Nixon never got to!!!

And Obama leads McCain by double digits!!

Obama holds 12-point lead over McCain, poll finds - Los Angeles Times

Yes, and the polls also said Gore would beat Bush in Florida.

[sailhog]

Originally Posted by Sailormon6

Yes, and the polls also said Gore would beat Bush in Florida.

Those ridiculous polls were off by... maybe a half-dozen votes?

I like McCain, but he's going to have to woo his base, which is going to sour his standing with just about every other likely voter in the country. I predict that he's going to get smoked in November unless he gives the finger to the 29% of Americans who think President Bush is doing a good job.

[chucklesR]

I think it will be interesting to see where it really goes.
Sure McCain is more like Dubya than Obama, and sure Obama will put the stick it to the rich and redistribute the ill gotten gains etc.. but when it comes down to it,

Who do the majority of voters think is better / has a better plan to run this country?

me, I'd rather have a practical, pragmatic guy that knows enough to say "the economy isn't my strong point" than one who somehow thinks taking money from investors and giving it to welfare moms is going to make the economy better.
I'd rather have a guy who says "we'll do what needs done" than one who has literally flip flopped like a flounder on whether we should be there, should pull out immediately, should phase a withdrawal, or should finish the job (and I'm not saying consistently wrong is better than inconsistent 'cus I don't think doing what needs done is wrong).

I'd rather have a guy that says "my religion is my religion, and not your business" than one who bounces around churches smiling at racist comments and then says "oh, I didn't say that, I just heard it, and I strongly denounce it if doing so will get me more votes"

Change? Sure Oboy got's your change, coming right at you - changing his stance, changing his mind, change from your pocket, change his address, change into a normal politican. Four years of Ob wan later I think we'll be ready for change much like we were after we sent Jimmy back to the peanut farm and brought in Reagan.

There is a reason that since the 70's only 2 presidents have been democratic yet the dem's have always had a higher number of registered voters. It's called common sense.

[PBzeer]

I'm waiting to see, by the end of summer, what all the idealistic types Obama roped in with his "new politics", do when it becomes too obvious to ignore, that they had the wool pulled over their eyes.

I suspect many will vote for him, simply because he isn't Bush. Even though, Bush isn't running, and regardless of their views on the war in Iraq, there really isn't much similarity between McCain and Bush (although the media and Obama will try to say there is).

If I thought the mischief could be limited during 4 years of Obama/Pelosi/Reid, I'd be very tempted to have them win it all. Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible to keep a rein on them.

[RickQuann]

[erps]

Ditto on both John and Chuck's remarks.

I think it will likely be a close race again because I don't think anyones' minds have changed since the last two elections. I wasn't happy with Bush the second time around, but I couldn't pull the lever for Kerry. I didn't vote for McCain in the primaries, but I can't pull the lever for Obama.

Also, is there anyone else like me that doesn't like to see the legislature and the white house run by the same circus? That's a plus for McCain this time around IMO.

[knothead]

Originally Posted by SailorMitch

fadl was the guy who wrote the islamic spiritual underpinnings for al qeada-- the documents OBL used as recruiting tools. now fadl has recanted those ways. it's possible that at least the foot soldiers in al qaeda, if not some leaders, will realize that hey,we have not been following the koran after all.. read the links and check out the current issue of the new yorker. in short there may
(or may not be) a ray of sunshine in thr radical jihadist movement. time will tell of course. fadl's latest document was important enough for either zahawiri or OBL (can't remember which one ) to mention it in a recent message to their faithful. just something to store away.

It warms my heart that some of these murderous bastards are rethinking their ideology.
But it holds about as much water as death row conversions in my book.
Too little, too late.
I suppose it's possible that now all those who bought into the ideas in the first place, will see the error of their ways and turn over a new leaf of love, charity and world peace. But I doubt it.