Democrats versus Republicans

[poopdeckpappy]

BTW, I don't consider contributing to the Warrior Foundation a sacrifice, I consider it a honor & duty and more people should be involved in it.

[poopdeckpappy]

Originally Posted by AdamLein

The most important institutions in America are not taxation and welfare, but capitalism and freedom. Where do you think these trillions of dollars worth of human, physical, and institutional capital came from? They came from individual investment and ingenuity, which you seem to have so little faith in. America's infrastructure, pretty much up to WWII, was entirely privately built. We only got to where we were because the government protected the rights of individuals to their intellectual and physical and monetary property.

Anybody who tries to make this argument an emotional one -- by trying to incite either pity (for the homeless mom) or anger (at her laziness) is trying to prevent us from using our minds to determine what's best, so I propose that we drop that line of reasoning.

Anybody who proposes that anything I produce should be taken away from me and given to somebody else -- a homeless mom today, or somebody in the "next generation" needs to explain by what right that product of mine is taken without my consent. What makes it okay for anybody (even the sacred majority) to use force against anybody else (even a despised minority)?

There is no way to justify theft on a moral level, which is why today's fringe left tells us that individuals are unimportant, that morality is relative, and that property itself is theft. The only way they can win the argument is by destroying all principles on which the argument is based. Or, they point to a homeless mom, and try to make me feel guilty for not helping her. My recommendation to anybody who cares about freedom is: not to fall into either of these traps.

That was really well put Adam......................

[PBzeer]

I'll second that PDP, well put Adam.

[sailaway21]

Good post, Adam.

Stand by for accusations of heartlessness and lack of concern about the starving chillun's.

btw, you'll only find the libs here-they fear to tread in the thread that details how they give less of their own money or time.

[camaraderie]

Adam...great post. Question...with the Canadian Flag showing in your header...did you come by your perspective in Canada or in one of the "other states" ? Just curious because most Canadian posters here have a somewhat more collectivist view of social responsibility.

[sck5]

How is it theft to ask you to pay for the things that you used to make the money you have? I bet every one of you guys who complains about "theft"

drives on a road
went to school
probably hired people who went to school
crossed a bridge
flew on a plane that landed at an airport
entered a harbor
was glad to see a buoy or beacon
listened to a weather report
benefit from the presence of police
used the court system
got a vaccination recommended bythe CDC

EVERY ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS PAID FOR BY TAXES. The list could go on.

The attitude that all taxation is theft is just ignorance. You are using the things that taxes bought. You just dont want to pay for it. I call that irresponsible. Some might call it self centered and greedy but I prefer to think that you guys just drank the kool aid and dont think it through

[sck5]

"America's infrastructure, pretty much up to WWII, was entirely privately built"

You need a history book my friend. And it is even less true nowadays.

[erps]

The attitude that all taxation is theft is just ignorance. You are using the things that taxes bought. You just dont want to pay for it. I call that irresponsible. Some might call it self centered and greedy but I prefer to think that you guys just drank the kool aid and dont think it through

You mischaracterized what others have said repeatedly. Is it on purpose, or an accident?

As an example, who said "all taxation is theft"?

I for one appreciate having someone here with a different point of view but I don't think you argue fairly.

[poopdeckpappy]

Sck, where the hell are you headed now, you didn't start out talking about taxes, you started out talking about socalizing America and the redistribution of our income.

I have no problem paying for those services you mention, but I'll be GD'ed if I will allow you and the rest of your socalist party to raise my taxes only to turn around and give it to someone who has made a living at fleesing the welfare system.

You want to help the needy ??? secure the borders, then these needy souls can do the jobs that " Americans refuse to do "

[sailaway21]

James Madison said,
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Of course, on this day, we should also remember that he said,
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms”

But then, it all comes down to philosophy, now doesn't it. Madison's seemed to be easily summarized;
“When government accepts responsibility for people, then people no longer take responsibility for themselves.”