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What part of that success does Mitch wish to argue about?
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sway you insist on not getting it. Bush could have done the same number on Al Qaeda by going after them in afghanistan (Where they are still quite active if you're paying attention) and skipping the entire Iraq fiasco. now he has to go begging for NATO support in afghan because he has no more troops to send there. Aren't you embarrassed to see him grovel for troops on his recent trip?
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Were I a military commander, I would much prefer to fight in Iraq than Afghanistan. Half the battle is picking the arena, and Afghanistan has been swallowing foreign armies for centuries.
It matters little though, because those opposed to a pro-active approach to the threat of Islamic terrorism, will always find a new benchmark that isnt being met, regardless of how much success is achieved.
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Flat desert is a much preferable terrain to nasty mountainous areas with lots of caves to hide in.  Ask Russia about how much fun invading and fighting in Afghanistan is...
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Were I a military commander, I would much prefer to fight in Iraq than Afghanistan. Half the battle is picking the arena, and Afghanistan has been swallowing foreign armies for centuries.
It matters little though, because those opposed to a pro-active approach to the threat of Islamic terrorism, will always find a new benchmark that isnt being met, regardless of how much success is achieved.
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I cant believe how ridiculous this argument is. It would be FAR better not to have the long supply lines to either Iraq or Afghanistan. It would be FAR preferable to fight Islamic terrorism closer to home, and still better to do it in a place where they speak English.
There is no question that any of our military commanders would MUCH rather fight Islamic terrorism in the BVI's. You may object that they have nothing to do with Islamic terrorism but that is just silliness. Neither did Iraq before we attacked them and look at them now!
The biggest problem with the Bush war planning is that they picked a country so far away and where they speak little English. Throw these jokers out and get somebody in there who knows how to pick a battlefield with good anchorages, good weather, and friendly people.
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I cant believe how ridiculous this argument is. It would be FAR better not to have the long supply lines to either Iraq or Afghanistan. It would be FAR preferable to fight Islamic terrorism closer to home, and still better to do it in a place where they speak English.
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Should we move the war to your state?
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George Mason, of Virginia:
"[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually.". . . I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." -- Virginia`s U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788
Doesn't that strategy sound like the one still used by the Democratic Party?
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sway you insist on not getting it. Bush could have done the same number on Al Qaeda by going after them in afghanistan (Where they are still quite active if you're paying attention) and skipping the entire Iraq fiasco. now he has to go begging for NATO support in afghan because he has no more troops to send there. Aren't you embarrassed to see him grovel for troops on his recent trip?
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Actually I do get it. I thought it very artful of the President and the military to draw al-Qaeda into a fight in Iraq. We're killing them in droves, just bagged another senior staffer this week, and they're having trouble recruiting.
And now, the Iraqi's hate them too! It's hard to see the downside at this point although, I'm sure you'll try. 
The President is not begging, he's merely asking fellow NATO members to fulfill their treaty obligations. That they will not do so is a given. Just as the fact that we will be called upon to defend them against a resurgent Russia is a given. They really are a feckless lot, and have been for almost a century. Nevertheless, should the need arise, America will raise the troops she needs.
The Iraqi "fiasco" is looking anything but-the President reversed course, terminated the policy directors and generals, and instituted a new policy which is working quite well. I wish he'd turn his eyes on Detroit in such a manner. (g)
Afghanistan. It seems that we're turning our attention there more and more as things improve in Iraq. And I don't suppose you've noticed that the Pakistani Army is active itself this past week in the border regions.
Your points are all good points, they're just two years old, and no longer valid.
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Why Iraq was inevitable
This is off topic but it is intended primarily for Mitch (whose wife thinks he's taking a continuing ed course on-line instead of goofing off on sailnet!)
Why Iraq Was Inevitable
And the below article describes how we are winning the war on terror.
Cheer up. We're winning this War on Terror | Gerard Baker - Times Online
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There is no question that any of our military commanders would MUCH rather fight Islamic terrorism in the BVI's. You may object that they have nothing to do with Islamic terrorism but that is just silliness. Neither did Iraq before we attacked them and look at them now!
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I guess the fact that Saddam was paying the families of suicide murderers for taking out innocent civilians doesn't count as having something to do with terrorism.
FOXNews.com - Saddam Pays 25K for Palestinian Bombers - Opinion
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President Bush himself said there was no al Qaeda in Iraq before we attacked and you guys still believe the lies spouted by the administration that said they were there.
By the way, it was Al Qaeda who attacked us, remember?
For an article about what Bush said (and there is video too if you want to look for it)
No Proof Connects Iraq to 9/11, Bush Says - UN Security Council
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