Democrats versus Republicans - Page 267

sck5 · #**2661** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

And PB - Perhaps YOU would like to explain why revenue rose even faster after Clinton raised taxes in 93? It was SUCH a bummer having the highest economic growth in decades together with a balanced budget!!!

Maybe THAT was just a cute manipulation too!! It is MUCH better borrowing billions from communists!!!

PBzeer · #**2662** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

Either answer the question, or don't bother to address anything to me. If you can't understand the 2 is more than 1, then there is no basis for conversation.

chucklesR · #**2663** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

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Originally Posted by sck5

chuckles

I couldnt agree with you more. My point was that if fighting Osama in Afghanistan is unpleasant because of the terrain then lets by all means pick more favorable terrain such as the BVI's. By your logic it doesnt really matter if Osama is there to begin with or not - If you invade, he will come. So, lets pick pleasant vacation spots! I am sure the troops will be much happier too.

Yeah, okay, let's have a war in Cancun next time and see who comes to the party. I'll bring the tiny umbrella's for the drinks, you bring the wet t shirts.

I see you are as qualified as Barak to understand foreign policy and make policy.

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Originally Posted by sck5

Chuck

Read the article you posted. It says the USA has ALREADY gone into Iran and has been blowing things up for more than 6 months. Whether or not this is a good idea, you can hardly expect the Iranian military to think it is OK. No general anywhere in the world is going to be OK with foreign military presence blowing stuff up on their territory. So I am not surprised that they are making all kinds of grandiose claims.

But thinking about the terrain posts above, Iran is a far different kettle of fish than Iraq. It is filled with mountains and soldiers who are willing to die rather than run, or at least that was the case when Saddam attacked them in the 80's. I wonder if our military is ready for such a war in their current depleted state.

A reporter says we are already in Iran. He reports things have blown up and it must therefore have been us that did it. In this case it was a Mosque, yeah sure - that's a strategic target we would have sent in covert agents to blow up.

Saying your troops have dug 320,000 graves so they can bury our troops if we invade is not "grandiose" it's STUPID, IGNORANT and just plain ridiculously childish on any and every level. If these guys could point a gun 10% as well as they can run their mouth they'd still shoot themselves in the foot.

Are we in Iran covertly? I hope the heck so, if not someone in our intelligence agencies should be fired. It's what nations do to protect themselves in the real world verus the lilly covered perfect planet you lib's think we live in.

Sing a few campfire songs, tell us how that makes you feel, take care of a few social injustices and it'll all be good - just get out of the way an let us adults take care of business. If Barak wins I can only hope that he leaves enough in the ashes on his way out that the adults will have something left to rebuild from.

camaraderie · #**2664** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

May I remind the members that personal attacks are not kosher even in off topic and lately several posts have come close to crossing "the line". As heated as this thread gets...lets keep attacking ideas and not members folks.
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Continuing on topic...I just found this new RossPerot graph site. There are 35 slides depicting the state of government expenditures, taxes, future commitments etc. ...all from gov't agency sources...with commentary alongside. You don't have to agree with Perot do take these slides seriously as they are simply data. As such, they provide plenty of fodder for proposed solutions. Very worth a look!
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PBzeer · #**2665** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

When one can't refute a position, the tried and true liberal reaction is to obfuscate, or use an absurdity. sck5 not only seems adept at both, but has a pressing need to be.

chucklesR · #**2666** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

Oh oh, we woke up the baby sitter

FWIW, my comments are addressed at ideas, not SCK, we've had PM's and understand that between us.

sck5 · #**2667** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

chuck is right - I think he is a nice guy though misguided about politics. He probably thinks the same of me. No problems here, I would happily go visit him if I sailed by his marina. PB I know less about but I dont take it personally.

I suspect that points of view you dont agree with might sound like obfuscation - I try to assume that people here are well meaning even if they are distressingly Republican in their outlook

wind_magic · #**2668** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

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Originally Posted by sck5

And PB - Perhaps YOU would like to explain why revenue rose even faster after Clinton raised taxes in 93? It was SUCH a bummer having the highest economic growth in decades together with a balanced budget!!!

Maybe THAT was just a cute manipulation too!! It is MUCH better borrowing billions from communists!!!

Oh yeah, nice one sck5 .. that one definitely gets added to the list, I'll put it at the top ...

Raising your taxes actually puts more money in your pocket ..
Having a gun makes you more vulnerable to harm (it'll be used on yourself instead of perp, etc)
Higher gun ownership doesn't actually frighten burglars, etc ..
Killing terrorists actually creates more of them.
Killing someone on death row is bad, but aborting babies is okay.
We need more oil, but drilling and taking it out of the ground won't actually help.
Etc ...

knothead · #**2669** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

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Originally Posted by wind_magic

Oh yeah, nice one sck5 .. that one definitely gets added to the list, I'll put it at the top ...

Raising your taxes actually puts more money in your pocket ..
Having a gun makes you more vulnerable to harm (it'll be used on yourself instead of perp, etc)
Higher gun ownership doesn't actually frighten burglars, etc ..
Killing terrorists actually creates more of them.
Killing someone on death row is bad, but aborting babies is okay.
We need more oil, but drilling and taking it out of the ground won't actually help.
Etc ...

Don't forget - Arabs who blow up innocent civilians are not necessarily Islamic terrorists.

sck5 · #**2670** (**permalink**) 06-30-2008

wind magic

Sorry. Just reporting the facts. Clinton DID raise taxes in 93 and what happened was a long period of sustained growth.

On guns, (and I am a heavily armed liberal as it happens) there ARE studies that say the best way to get shot or shoot friends and family is to keep a loaded gun around. I keep all my guns locked like everyone else I know around here. (Nobody is about to attack me where I live)

On killing terrorists it isnt killing them that creates more. ITs invading and then occupying Arab countries that does that. Something about having foreign soldiers shooting people pisses them off -

Some people believe in forced pregnancies. I guess it depends on when you regard a fetus as being a full fledged human. Opinions differ on that.

We DO need more oil and more drilling alone certainly wont solve the problem. We need to attack the energy problem on all available fronts.

There. See how easy it is to have two sides to what you seem to consider slam dunk statements? Thats why we have elections. As it happens, I think more people agree with me than with you but we will see in November