Democrats versus Republicans

[sailaway21]

Patriotism isn't a belief in the flag or the US government, it's an abiding belief in the underlying principles that the US epitomises. Things expressed in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. Freedom and liberty achieved through democracy. That flag stuff, like you see at the Olympics, is just nationalism. and btw, nationalism is what got Germany, and others like her, into trouble-that wasn't patriotism. And then we have pessimism, in the personage of Mr. Obama. But he's the candidate of change! Oh really? What really needs changing? Of the really important stuff. I'm pretty sure the sleeveless Michele wants change and big change, cause she says that Obama ain't gonna be lettin' us be layin' around no more, we will be required to change. If she really means that, isn't it a bit scary?

In any event, Mr. Goldberg does a pretty good job of highlighting the differences between pats and nats, with a primer on pests thrown in. He had a well-written page or two on the matter vis-a-vis Nazi Germany in Liberal Fascism a book I recommend highly to those of either political persuasion.

Obama's real patriotism problem - Opinion - USATODAY.com

And Thomas Sowell reminds us why real patriotism matters.
RealClearPolitics - Articles - Does Patriotism Matter?

[sailaway21]

Har de har har!

Did anyone think that Barry Obama's slide to the center, if not responsible right, was going to go unnoticed by his date heretofore? The gal he brought to the dance ain't happy and she ain't lookin' to walk home neither. I hear the theme music to the Bugs Bunny-Roadrunner Hour coming up right now, I believe. And yes, the nexus of the Loony Left, the redoubt of the beautiful but whacked Katrina van den Heuvel, The Nation, is attempting reasoned discourse on the matter but, boy are they pissed!

It seems that Barry Obama is committing two sins; he's validating the Bush policy of offshore surveillance and, worse yet, he's not going to let the Loony Tunes legal beagles sue corporate America in the form of the phone companies. The FISA debate has all the usual suspects truly aroused. It's one thing to listen to Ahmed whisper sweet nothings to the producers at CNN but restrain trial lawyers against corporate Amerika, a corporate Amerika allied with the Bush regime? It's bile and venom time, kiddies, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

From the Houston Space Center of the Loony Left:
Obama Network Organizes and Revolts Over Spying

And the Yosemite Sam of the Loony Left ain't takin' it sittin' down neither. I had to edit this one in; there's a few minutes difference in trnasmission between NY and the Mars lander.
RealClearPolitics - Articles - Memo to Obama: Moving to the Middle is for Losers

[PBzeer]

It will be interesting to see by what means we will be "made" to follow Obama's vision, should he win election. How he intends to enforce unity. It takes very little imagination to picture the hue and cry of the MSM were McCain to use such language.

Yet, what is this "change" that we are to accept? Especially in the light of the many changes to change we have seen over the past few weeks. From what I see, I see little difference between the Obama agenda, and LBJ's Great Society. Which, in essence, amounted to nothing more than monetary bandaids, rather than solutions.

Despite sporadic, and often times ineffectual conservative efforts, that is really all government has become. A mechanism to take from some, and give to others. And I see little difference between Obama and McCain, in that respect, other than one will take a bigger bite than the other.

[artbyjody]

Is it going to matter? Both of them flip flop more on issues than John Kerry ever did or that you and I change our underwear in a given year. Surprisingly, both of the candidates seem to almost be near center of views (or at least the views of what they think the "regular" folk of the US seem to believe (and we know what the now late George Carlin said about that)). Maybe slight deviations, but in the end this years election is not about issues - its about likability. I almost think this election is basically shaping up to be (and do not even attempt to make this a racist comment) - pick the color of the candidate you want in office.

When Obama denounced the general's comment on how "McCain just because he was shot down - doesn't make him material for president" (paraphrased). There was nothing wrong about that - and in fact its actually true. Nothing non-patriotic was in that statement that was made - just war hero is a tired banner / marketing idealism.


McCain being all insulted - he knows he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He also knows that he is not "hero" - he's just someone that made it back alive and happened to have an influential family (remind you of JFK - the America's Family)...

But someone point out actual real differences between these candidates, and what their positions were 4-5 years ago (heck we can go for two)...The number of flip-flops on issues to positively market themselves for the folks vote - well if IHOP could use that energy - they'd make enough pancakes to feed the world...

[sailaway21]

You won't read this in the NYT!
Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support - Telegraph

[PBzeer]

Jody - they are both pandering politicians whose only real concern, is winning the election. That is evident by their unending flip-flops in trying to appeal to the mythical center. As I said above, the main difference between the two is who will take more of your money, to get re-elected in 4 years.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by artbyjody

McCain being all insulted - he knows he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He also knows that he is not "hero" - he's just someone that made it back alive and happened to have an influential family (remind you of JFK - the America's Family)...

But someone point out actual real differences between these candidates, and what their positions were 4-5 years ago (heck we can go for two)...The number of flip-flops on issues to positively market themselves for the folks vote - well if IHOP could use that energy - they'd make enough pancakes to feed the world...

ARE YOU FREAKIN' NUTS?

I'm no big J-Mac supporter but that's got to be the biggest load of uninformed hooey I've read since I punched the ignore button on sck5!

John McCain, for whatever else he is, is a genuine, real-deal, war hero. He was tortured by the NVA and he could have gotten out and home based upon his status as an Admiral's son and the PR coup it would have been for the NVA. He didn't go and he told the NVA to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. He didn't use his influential family and he was lucky to make it back alive. If you had read even the slightest bit of history about either McCain or the Hanoi Hilton you wouldn't think to post such claptrap. What in the Sam Hill planet are you living on? I demand a retraction of those statements.

That McCain has flip-flopped on some issues may well be true-we know Obama is doing so asap. That's not bad in either case; both were wrong on any number of things and now it's time for the big game.

If you think there is no difference between Obama and McCain I believe you to be sorely deluded. Just deluded though, not stark raving off your nut as your prior statements would indicate.

[bubb2]

Originally Posted by artbyjody

McCain being all insulted - he knows he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He also knows that he is not "hero" - he's just someone that made it back alive and happened to have an influential family (remind you of JFK - the America's Family)...

I am "just someone that made it back alive." You, Jody, did just insult a true American hero. To endure what John McCain did and still be sane enough to run for President, he has my vote! There is no question what kind of back bone this man has.

[erps]

But someone point out actual real differences between these candidates, and what their positions were 4-5 years ago (heck we can go for two)...

One of them respects the 2nd amendment.

[artbyjody]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

If you had read even the slightest bit of history about either McCain or the Hanoi Hilton you wouldn't think to post such claptrap. What in the Sam Hill planet are you living on? I demand a retraction of those statements.
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I shalln't retract, and just because you think I insulted YOUR hero... I have read a ton on him, etc , I know the historical accounts etc - the biased, self told etc. But, I also served in the Gulf War and perhaps because life3 is remembered 30 days at a time - hero is status that one doesn't promote, or allows to be promoted. There is nothing at wrong with my comment of he was in the wrong place at the wrong time - nor anything else I said. Get over it.

Heroes are those guys giving their life (or have given) over there in Iraq for reasons they do not comprehend - just they know its the right thing to do and the only thing to do to make it back home. McCain supported this "our generation war", and you would think after all that experience, he might actually have talked some sense into the administration and talked them out of the actions.

So, no I shalln't retract - and if you feel I insulted someone - take a step back. I served in the 1st Gulf War - I am entitled and fought for this country - I earned that right to make that statement.