Democrats versus Republicans

[PBzeer]

Hey, when your approval rating dips into single digits, ya gotta do something. Which of course, could be part of the early recess.

[SailorMitch]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

The Nation is some pissed at BO. I guess the bloom is off the rose in Loony Left Land! Are we having fun, yet?
Obama Votes to Silence Debate and Pass FISA

Surprise, surprise-- barack is just another politician. While he is waffling back to the center trying to woo the votes of moderates like me, McCain is shooting himself in the foot just as he retooled his campaign with the Phil Gramm this is a "mental" recession idiocy. I guess the hundreds of thousands who have lost their jobs just this year plus the one million families with homes in foreclosure are just whiners. All this while McCain is in Mchigan to convince peoplke that he feels their pain and he has the answer to this economy--which apparently is take 2 happy pills and stop your bitching.

And pleasedon't start with the line that the people in foreclosure made a bad decision so it's their fault. seems that at least 400 mortgage folks have been arrested for fraud, so many of those people were duped into signing mortgages they had no business even being offered.

So where were the gubmint regulators to keep an eye on things? not there because Congress 9with Senator Gramm head of the Senate banking and finance committee deregulated the financial industry-- and he also created something I heard referred to as the Enron loophole I need to do some research on. Yep, Gramm is a fine economic advisor. Perhaps he should have stayed at RBS, where he no doubt was paid handsomely for his sage advice. Now bernanke is looking at the Fed taking control of regulating the financial markets. Is he that much of an empire builder???

So where was Carlie Farina in all this??? She was busy digging a hole for McCain in the Viagra conytroversy. Yesterday she made a statement lambasting health insurers for covering Viagra for men, but not birth control pills for women. CNN last night showed a reporter asking McCain for his position on that and the old boy looked like he had just defecated in his pants. He stumbled bungled, babbling away for an answer looking like a deer in headlights and said there had been a vote on the issue in Congress but he couldn't remember the details. he was right about the vote--and he voted against it saying at the time birth control pills were a personal matter for women. And Viagra isn't a personal matter for men?

What's sad for McCain is that he retooled his campaign to "stay on message." that didn't even last a day.

and jesse Jackson was busy shooting Barack in the foot. chances are he missed because Barack stays in motion and is not an easy target.

The good news for Barack is that his Iraq policy of bringing the troops home PDQ essentially was endorsed by Malicki's call for a time table for U.S. withdrawal.

Are these campaigns sad or what!!!

[SailorMitch]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

It's much easier to run as a Republican. Instead of having to secure the nomination from the Fruit Loops wing of your party, you merely have to be in favor of less government size and spending, a strong defense, and you think that a relationship with God is the best way to govern personal morality. Keeps you out of the controversial debate on whether granola or Grape Nuts should be the national cereal!

Yes, Repubs don't have to think--- just turn on the radio and let Rush tell you what you think that day.

[camaraderie]

Originally Posted by SailorMitch

Yes, Repubs don't have to think--- just turn on the radio and let Rush tell you what you think that day.

I wish McCain would try that!

[knothead]

Originally Posted by sck5

We already support the Israelis a lot and it would be an incredibly huge jump for us to start doing it with the US Army in person. Nobody on either side of this debate has ever suggested we should do that.

Rice says US won't back down; Iran fires back - Yahoo! News


I love that woman.

[PBzeer]

Originally Posted by SailorMitch

Yes, Repubs don't have to think--- just turn on the radio and let Rush tell you what you think that day.

Oddly enough, the only radio I listen to is NPR. I think though, that what gets forgotten, is that Limbaugh isn't popular because people agree with him, it's because he agrees with his audience. That's why libs can't make a go of it on radio. There's already plenty of places that people can get that viewpoint, Rush though, was the first real voice of dissent from that view. The first person that people could tune to that agreed with what they felt and saw.

[SailorMitch]

Originally Posted by camaraderie

I wish McCain would try that!

don't you know by now that McCain is not a conservative???

[chucklesR]

I'm no Constitutional scholar, I don't understand the uproar over telecom's providing data on who did what on the internet, phones etc. and being granted immunity for it, in fact, no immunity was needed as it violates no law or right.

What you do in public is public, in public there is no 'right' to privacy other than those worked in by our supreme court.

This:
Amendment 4
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.

Protects us from the government, not private parties, businesses etc..That is to say, if you come to my store and browse the Widget items, I can send that information to teh maker of Widget listing you as a potential customer, and post on this and any other venue as I see fit.

Now I don't like the warrantless aspect of this, nor the random search/data dump - but I'm not quibbling on that, just the whole 'right' thing.

Some tell me I'm wrong, and list where it says different (not opinion, factually).

[sailaway21]

Well. While not the smartest political move, Phil Gramm's statement otherwise suffers from nothing else other than being correct. while the economy has been much better, and much worse, I'll restate what I said over a year ago to a certain individual who thought the US sky was falling because of housing financing. What is actually amazing is that, at record gas prices, and fighting two separate wars, is that the economy is doing as well as it is. Earlier this year after a fall of chicken little we were told repeatedly that we were in recession, gleefully by some lib-jobs, so where's the negative growth? Yes, I'd call it a mental recession.

Viagra versus the pill? Aside from wasting my time responding, you're wasting your time if you think the American people are going to elect a president based upon his position on viagra versus birth-control payments.

On the other hand, the Loon tunes at The Nation are reading the situation a whole lot better than their erstwhile followers. Obama is starting not so much McCain whom he's running against as he is President Bush against whom it was marketed that he was running against. On issues such as foreign policy, national security, and terror it's difficult to run against the mature adult position for long and imagine actually living in the White House. That no one actually knows what Obama truly thinks deep inside is reason to believe that the election is McCain's to lose.

[SailorMitch]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

Well. While not the smartest political move, Phil Gramm's statement otherwise suffers from nothing else other than being correct. while the economy has been much better, and much worse, I'll restate what I said over a year ago to a certain individual who thought the US sky was falling because of housing financing. What is actually amazing is that, at record gas prices, and fighting two separate wars, is that the economy is doing as well as it is. Earlier this year after a fall of chicken little we were told repeatedly that we were in recession, gleefully by some lib-jobs, so where's the negative growth? Yes, I'd call it a mental recession.

Viagra versus the pill? Aside from wasting my time responding, you're wasting your time if you think the American people are going to elect a president based upon his position on viagra versus birth-control payments.

On the other hand, the Loon tunes at The Nation are reading the situation a whole lot better than their erstwhile followers. Obama is starting not so much McCain whom he's running against as he is President Bush against whom it was marketed that he was running against. On issues such as foreign policy, national security, and terror it's difficult to run against the mature adult position for long and imagine actually living in the White House. That no one actually knows what Obama truly thinks deep inside is reason to believe that the election is McCain's to lose.

Sway-- yes, IMHO the economy is being held together right now with smoke and mirrors. Face it, people have no money. The home equity well is dry because of how far home values have fallen. Same for values of 401K's and IRA's. hundreds of thousands are out of work with more losses in the offing people have lost trillions of dollars in equity in the last year one way or another. Sure, we may not be in a recession using the classic definition, but maybe that old definition doesn't apply today. Gramm could at least use some common sense by not making McCain look even worse than he does already on the economy especially when he is supposed to be in Michigan convincing voters he feels their pain and the message from his chief economic advisor is "stop your whining." Some leadership there.

i was not implying that the Viagra/birth control issue is a big deal. It"s not in the scheme of things.. the big deal is how poorly McCain responded. he looked like he was undergoing a root canal. hopefully he won't babble like that when the phone rings at 3AM. Not a
presidential looking moment in the least. he looks like a doddering old man. YOU should see it-- even you'd be embarrassed for him! check it out here..YouTube - Countdown: McCain Needs Viagra Not Birth Control 7/10/08

yes, I agree the election is McCain's to lose. Given how little headway he made while the Dems were still fighting it out--good God hillary did his work for him for how long???-- johnny should have a lead in the polls and not barack. McCain frittered away that advantage and since then has only dug the hole deeper with the help of his retooled campaign.
Looks like the main race now is who can run the worse campaign. johnny has a leg up on that one right now---two goofs right out of the chute from his retooled campaign. I still prefer the "none of the above" lever.