Democrats versus Republicans

[chucklesR]

"The real debate is not over morality itself but over the consequences of immorality. "

Really? I thought it was about the definition and boundaries of and a discussion of differences, nice of you to clear that up.

Any other strings I can yank on around here?

[Sailormon6]

Does anyone find it ironic that, only a couple of years ago, the Dems were advocating $5.00 per gallon gasoline, as a means of reducing environmental pollution, but, now that they have the high-priced gasoline that they wanted, or nearly so, they blame President Bush for it, even though they have done nothing to bring the price down, while he has. On the contrary, the Dem Congress wants to take a long vacation from productivity. The President, on the other hand, brought about a reduction in the price of gas simply by announcing his willingness to drill for more oil. Oddly, the Dems claim that drilling for more oil won't bring down the price, but the President's mere suggestion that we drill for oil has, in fact, brought down the price. It seems logical that actually drilling would bring the price down even more. Am I missing something here?

[PBzeer]

Well, no doubt about it now, Obama is playing the race card. In two campaign appearances, he has implied that opposition to him is racist. Using code phrases such as I don't look like the presidents on money and people like me, he's setting the stage to deflect criticism about his age and experience.

He suavely disguises it behind what they will do, not what they have done. An expert political trick, but one hardly worthy of someone who claims to be above such tactics, as Obama has, repeatedly.

[PBzeer]

Sailormon - the only thing you're missing, is that it isn't about the price of gas, but about winning an election.

[SailKing1]

So many living at the whim of so few. Isn't that what prompted the Declaration of Independence to begin with.

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

It is sad that the party's of our government have become so divided that their own interest is put so blatantly ahead of those they represent. And they claim that what they are doing is based on the majority. Anyone but an absolute moron can see through the BS being served. I travel all over the country and am amazed at what i hear from people I encounter compared to what i see in the daily poll and hear on the news. Based on those conversations you would think the election this year would bring about some significant changes in the congress and the senate. Even reading post in this thread the opinions are so lopsided the results should be obvious. Yes we know that a new occupant will be in the oval office. (What an appropriate name) But the reality is the Presidents power is limited to the will of the senate and congress. Sadly, we will be in the same boat we're in now.

[sck5]

"Well, no doubt about it now, Obama is playing the race card..."

Thats really a howler, PB. You have managed to convince yourself that being black is an ADVANTAGE in the United States?

Hahahahahhahahahahhahhahhhahhhaaa

I can only hope that McCain is as out of touch with reality as you were when you wrote that!!

[PBzeer]

Where did I say it was an advantage sck5? I also said it was an excellent political ploy on Obama's part.

But, as usual, you ignore the point, and respond with something that has no bearing on it. But then, what could you say, eh? Since he said what he said, why don't you tell us what he meant then?

[PBzeer]

Ooops sck5, I apologize for not factoring in your reaction to the latest Gallup Poll of likely voters. You know, the one that has McCain up by 4

[chucklesR]

Saying "I don't look like other presidents" is playing both the race and the change card. Mr Media Boy strikes a genius in getting it both ways.

He likes to play the change card because, frankly a lot of folks think change is needed. What he doesn't have is a clear realistic plan to affect change except changing money from my pocket to someone elses, and changing his address.
Every one of his changes requires massive infusions of tax dollars, most of them incorporate one of his funniest switchbacks - failed policies of the past - but in this case the failed policies are on the ultra liberal wish list that never got implemented, or ramping up failed social plans so that they cost more and extend more entitlements - while reducing spending on what is the proper business of government (defense, infrastructure).

I'm becoming afraid of Obama, Pelosi and Reid. Individually they can't do diddly, but putting them all in at once gets 'world changing' in ways I don't want to consider. I'm not a citizen of the world, I'm a citizen of the US - I say what I do, and do what I say. We've bandied morals and eithics and values around in this thread ad nauseam, and frankly mine are different from most republicans, which is why I'm independent. I'm also certainly not a democrat, not by anyones measuring stick.
I may actually vote this year for the first time in my life. It won't matter because Maryland is a solid dem state, but sometimes a man has to take action.

[sck5]

PB

Please explain to me how "playing the race card" is an "excellent political ploy" if being black isnt an advantage (which it isnt and we all know it - the only reason there is any doubt whatever about Obama is that there are people out there who wont vote for a black guy)

And as for Gallup's poll, I doubt their likely voter model based on past elections has much to do with 2008. For another view, and remembering that our elections are really 50 separate state level elections, check out pollster.com - They have some cool interactive maps based on averaging all the latest polls. Non-partisan too. But by all means, I hope all republicans continue in the fantasy that McCain is leading. Judging from the level of negativity coming from his campaign, I doubt McCain's people believe that poll either.

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