While Obama has certainly held some fancy and prestigious titles, what has he actually done? What is the record of his accomplishments in these various positions?
Which one of his titles is only "fancy and prestigious"?
If you truly want the answers, look them up. They are well documented. Just because you don't believe them or consider them relevant doesn't mean they don't exist.
Quote:
Of course, if one believes that lawyers are automatically smarter than other people, then I guess it matters that Ms Palin didn't get a law degree.
Nowhere did I say that. I compared their education background in response to the assertion that her background was deeper, more substantive. That having been said, my hat is off to anybody who graduates magna cum laude from Harvard Law. Is that one of your fancy and prestigious titles?
Quote:
Of course, her life story isn't one of seeking national office, so perhaps she didn't feel it was necessary to get one.
Assuming your are correct, that Obama's life story is one of seeking national office, what exactly is wrong with that? And what better educational preparation for that?
Quote:
It's somewhat interesting that you seem to feel that actually working for a living, is somehow inferior preperation for office, than an advanced law degree.
Where did I say that, or even remotely insinuate such a thing? Nowhere. The comparative information was sourced, verify yourself if you want, it wasn't opinion. I compared their backgrounds and asked how that makes her more qualified or suited to such a high office than Obama - contentions that you folks have made - and I specifically said I was not impuning her accomplishments.
Quote:
And while much is made of the size of Wasilla, what is conveniently left out is that in 1980 the population was only 1,600. In other words, while small in actual size, it was going through a period of rapid growth, and all the problems that are inherent in such growth. And, as I mentioned before, I was living in Alaska at that time, and was aware of the issues surrounding the growth in Wasilla and the entire Mat-Su Valley.
I'm sure she did a wonderful job, but we have subdivisions here with more than 1600 people.
Quote:
What though is the legacy of each? What, as I've asked before, are Obama's actual accomplishments? And how do those stack up against Palin's record?
I copied and pasted a summary of their records and accomplishments, even said fill in anything I missed. Dismiss and ignore his accomlishments if you like, that doesn't render them non-existent.
Quote:
Even with only 20 months as governor, Palin has more Executive experience than Obama, Biden, and McCain put together. But anyone who is truely interested can look up the actual accomplishments of either one.
Obama, Biden, McCain are legislators. Palin, as a Governor, held an Executive position. If you're saying that she's held an executive office longer than the other three, then technically, that's correct.
To suggest that translates to more executive experience than the other three combined is just plain silly.
Bottom line- she is a damn impressive woman and the Democrats should be extremely worried right now. It will be a sign of how worried they are if we start seeing biting comments about her makeup, hair and wardrobe.
John
__________________
John Davidson SV Laurie Anne
1988 Brewer 40 Pilothouse
What legislation has Obama been instrumental in getting passed?
What are his accomplishments as a community activist?
What are his accomplishments as a law professor?
I did find that he had been added (on the day it was passed) as a co-sponsor of an ethics bill in Illinois that gave legislators the right to convert campaign funds to personal use.
I did find, that during his time in academia, where the mantra is publish or perish, he published nothing.
So what are we left with? A guy that got good grades in college, that wrote a couple of books about himself, and made a speech. If there is something more that he has accomplished, please inform me of what it is.
------------------------
The juxposition of him going to college, while she was working in one of most dangerous jobs in the country (see Bureau of Labor Statistics) implied that it was a lesser experience. That is why I said seems, rather than does.
__________________
John
Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
I love it when you get all bent out of shape when I cite facts that run contrary to what you just said! You never fail to find some reason why anything I say has no relevance whatever to what you said. In this case, when you say Obama got no votes and I said what about the 18 million people who voted for him you have no problem saying NO NO NO what I meant was ONLY that time in the past when he didnt get any votes!!
This is a great example of cherry picking facts. Only look at the ones that prove your point and dismiss all others.
By that logic, lets look at the period in John McCain's life when he was engaged in corrupt activities with Mr. Keating and the savings and loan scandal. Nothing else matters but McCain's acknowledged ethical lapses. NO NO you are not allowed to mention he was a POW. NONONONO you cant mention that he was a senator for years after. The ONLY thing that matters is that he was ethically compromised during that period in the 1980's. Therefore he is a corrupt SOB and nobody should vote for him.
See how easy? Now you can tell me why YOUR example of cherrypicking facts is completely different from this one!!
PB.... Osama did not accomplish anything as a community organizer... HIS own words.... He did file a law suit against the government because some angry bitter colored people lived in a ghetto that had asbestos, lol...
Now Osama does have Jeramiah Wright and Bill Ayeres, lol....
PB... From an earlier post.... Yes her husband is a snow mobile champ... She also races snow mobiles and has wone 4 or more by her own admission... Not very sure about her family running marathons or Her... It was reported on Fox news that she runs them as well... Now, take what the media reports with a grain of salt- lol... Thinking since her parents exposed to moose hunting trhey probably exposed her to marathon running. She is pretty athletic. State basketbal champion from HS days.. Her own words- Snow mobiling is her best upper body work out... Personnally, she probably could be a Bow Bunney, yet I think she probably has know problem running a boat.
Over all, you expect the VP to balance the ticket. I also expect the VP to be Second to the President... Palins young... Yet, look at osama's VP.. He's OLD as McCain... When I see the two together... I want to ask biden- 'Hey who's that young colored boy running around with you'- ooops, I forgot he's actually the president candidate. Osama was 10 years old when biden entered the US Senate- lol... Now, that ticket looks very unbalanced...
People are fawning over her moose-hunting and fishing background, so I fail to see why 12 years as a Lecturer and Senior Lecturer at the university level require further qualification, at least in this thread. Again, the answers are at the fingertips.
As to the link... a neo-conservative blog as an objective source? Here's the "About Me" to one of your sources, Dan Riehl. Given the dismissal of Obama's education and background by the Right, why should I even remotely consider accept THIS person's view as anything but personal opinion?
Quote:
I've always written. My published writing career began with journalism in college. I went on to edit my college newspaper. After a short time as a freelance writer and employee of a mid-sized weekly newspaper, I went on to apply my writing skills in business through employment as a marketing and sales manager for a Fortune 100 corporation.
Today I'm a marketing and sales director for an established technology company and also maintain Riehlworldview.
Along with writing on politics and topical news, I follow and report on significant crime stories with the assistance of a growing community of readers and posters who read and post regularly on my weblog.
For activities I enjoy Golf and sport fishing. Other interests include History, politics, and good movies. Favorite book is "One Hundred Years of Solitude" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, movie - "There's Something About Mary" by the Farrelly Bros. In music I like variety from old top forty to Tom Waits, the Allman Bros. Band right through to Sinatra. My favorite quote is from Whitman, "Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes." I believe that's true of all of us.
A journalism major who enjoys fishing?? OMG it's another right-wing conspiracy.
I don't get involved in these threads because I find that most of the times both sides are irrationally subjective... just jumped in because we P27'ers gotta stick together
I find I must apologize sck5. As is obvious from your post #3434, you are unaware that Mr Obama entered politics in 1996, rather than 2008. I had assumed that you knew that Mr Obama entered politics in his state senate primary of 1996, and not the Presidential primary of 2008.
I mistakenly thought, that anyone who expressed an opinion in regards to my statement which said, "when he entered politics", would understand I was making reference to his primary race of 1996. Which is of course, the only thing it could mean. That you would think it meant the primary race of 2008 is something I should have realized could happen. Even after repeated attempts to show you otherwise.
So please accept my apology for thinking you are too stupid to understand plain English.
__________________
John
Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
phallo - I never said he didn't show up and teach his classes. If you find that a noteworthy accomplishment, than I will certainly grant it.
While you may feel Mr Riehl is not a credible source, the conclusion is reached by accessing the provided links to actual Chicago Annenberg Challenge memorandum, not the words of Mr Riehl. If you can show where this conclusion is in error, I would be more than happy to read and acknowledge it.
__________________
John
Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
PB.... Obama did not accomplish anything as a community organizer... HIS own words.... He did file a law suit against the government because some angry bitter colored people lived in a ghetto that had asbestos, lol...
Now Obama does have Jeramiah Wright and Bill Ayeres, lol....
PB... From an earlier post.... Yes her husband is a snow mobile champ... She also races snow mobiles and has wone 4 or more by her own admission... Not very sure about her family running marathons or Her... It was reported on Fox news that she runs them as well... Now, take what the media reports with a grain of salt- lol... Thinking since her parents exposed to moose hunting trhey probably exposed her to marathon running. She is pretty athletic. State basketbal champion from HS days.. Her own words- Snow mobiling is her best upper body work out... Personnally, she probably could be a Bow Bunney, yet I think she probably has know problem running a boat.
Over all, you expect the VP to balance the ticket. I also expect the VP to be Second to the President... Palins young... Yet, look at Obama 's VP.. He's OLD as McCain... When I see the two together... I want to ask biden- 'Hey who's that young colored boy running around with you'- ooops, I forgot he's actually the president candidate. Obama was 10 years old when biden entered the US Senate- lol... Now, that ticket looks very unbalanced...
FTFY Geesh.. You know how much of a tool you sound when you call him Osama? I guess the guy doesn't have much to worry about if his major opposition acts like 3rd graders calling him names.. Nanny Nanny Boo Boo.. Grow up..
Community Organizer
