Clue me in here guys... I just spent the afternoon prepping for Gustav and heard the news. I've done a quick run down on her creds, so please explain to me objectively how she has more substantive experience?
Going by the quick run-down you provided: Looks to me like Obama's "experience" is mostly in school and politics, neither of which mirrors real life. Palin, OTOH, appears to have more real life experience.
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Voted for GW twice but can't run Left fast enough. Move over Joel!
Can't say as I blame you regarding your feelings about the current administration. Can't imagine why you voted for him the 2nd time around. But be sure, in where you turn next, you're not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
While no fan of McCain, I think that does both him and, more importantly, Palin a disservice. While I strongly suspect her being a woman helped in her being picked by McCain, I suspect it was her being an accomplished woman, and one in McCain's mold, that did it.
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sounds like just the type of woman who should be nominated.
Don't know much about her, yet, but she does look impressive at first blush.
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The left always screams when their actual advocated policies of affirmative promotion are used by the other side. They scream all the louder when the other side actually advances a person of substance versus the clowns typified by the likes of Pelosi, Boxer, Waters, and Hillary.
ICBW, but ISTM it's more often the right/GOP that advances women and minorities, whereas the left/Dems seem to patronize the "disadvantaged."
Apparently the Dems can laugh about hurricanes for political advantage too.
Don Fowler, former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, and Democratic Congressman Don Spratt are caught on video laughing about the fact that a hurricane is about to hit New Orleans, to the political advantage, they suppose, of their party:
You can see the Michael Moore one on Michelle Malkin's website.
While I have to admit that such thoughts are really not that surprising, given human nature, that Moore would deliberate make his on TV is a bit creepy.
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No doubt all you right-wingers have been waiting for the independent view of Sarah Palin. Those of you who bother to read my posts know I am no fan of either candidate. Obama is too slippery to suit me, and I question McCain’s temperament and judgment to run the country. In short they both are typical lying politicians. I also think both have run pathetic campaigns. Obama has made a number of gaffs that McCain should have capitalized on to form a lead. But he has not been able to do that. He and his advisors also have made a number of mistakes that now make this race dead even in most polls.
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o McCain selects a real dark horse for his vp pick. Why? Perhaps out of desperation because his campaign has had no traction until now? And he hopes that Hillary’s followers will vote for a pro-lifer with the overall political views of Dick Cheney? Perhaps he is right, but the Palin pick is a big roll of the dice for him.
And as for why he picked her after meeting with her one time (which I do think is quite peculiar to put it mildly), it seems logical given McCain’s apparent view of women. Beauty queen for wife #2 (after unceremoniously dumping a crippled and overweight wife #1, but didn’t divorce her until he had the beauty queen waiting in the wings) so it’s perhaps logical to go with a beauty queen VP.
Say what you will about experience, but at least Obama has been on the national stage for over 4 years rubbing elbows with the powerful while Palin was at PTA meetings, attending youth hockey games, being a part-time mayor of a town of 6,500 and defeating a corrupt governor 2 years ago. Could it be that it's been easy for her to shine in a state of 600,000. Her statewide popularity is perhaps due to big increases in the state payouts to her fellow Alaskans she has approved because of the increases in state income due to the increase in the price of oil and natural gas we all are paying. Will have to see how this nastiness involving her and her husband’s roles in firing a public safety head for not firing her former brother-in-law turns out for a more complete look at her ability to stamp out corruption in the state.
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From Traverse City, along a line through Ohio to Bucks County in Pennsylvania, are literally hundreds of small towns of 10,000 or less people that I'm sure are pleased to know it doesn't take much to run their town. They're all kinda dumb and don't know a whole lot about the world. Just a bunch of rubes that can't match up with the big city boys.
Obama's has already dissed 'em once, I guess the Dems figure it's alright to keep on dissing 'em. Which seems pretty odd to me, since without all those small towns, Obama doesn't win the election.
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Pretty left wing jaundiced view for an independent Mitch. Somehow I don't think YOU were the independent Johnny Mac was looking to convert with his pick.
We all see things from different perspectives yet it seems that some windows are more in need of a washing than others.
A few thoughts on the latest of what passes for moderate/independent thought from the Republic of Maryland:
In an election long thought to be a slam dunk for the Democrats, McCain either holds a slight lead or is dead even with Obama depending upon which poll you favor. Now that may just be because of the implausibility of hope or change but it certainly does not show the McCain camp to be incompetent.
A lead, by a serious underdog, at this point is nothing to sneeze at. If that is not traction I'm unfamiliar with the term.
One cannot help but notice the elitism, that must be an additive to the Maryland drinking water, which denigrates not only the small town mayoralties of the country, but the governorship of the nation's largest state, in favor of hanging out at Georgetown cocktail parties. Alaska: Fly-Over North!
From my seat some eight hundred miles west of the Cumberland Water Gap, and thus political irrelevance, I'm reminded that the American people are far more attracted to candidates from outside the beltway for national office. This year is unique in that both candidates herald from the halls of the Senate which may be cause to speculate on how the people will view them in terms of suspicion of being the solution or just part of the problem.
Mrs Palin offers a visage and a resume that most Americans are familiar with and comfortable viewing. As more and more of us find ourselves outside the sphere of our large city coastal betters that visage assumes greater significance. We'll take the lady who can cook moose and pitch a tent any day over two men who've made politics their entire lives. Most of us nitwits here in the hinterlands tend to feel you either got what it takes when you go to Washington, DC or you don't. And we're pretty sure you don't pick it up when you get there. Some of us are even old enough to remember that Joe Biden was wrong on the Cold War and the Persian Gulf War before he voted for the Iraqi war. Thirty years of being on the wrong side of virtually every issue, the hair plugs are a wash, does not qualify one as an elder statesman with the steady hand on the tiller that most of us seek.
Going head to head with the oil companies, one of Alaska's largest employers, is fraught with risk yet the lady carried it off well. Ballsy, most would say. On the other hand, her opponent has never gone head to head with anything more than a truculent Amtrak conductor.
Having a child in your forties, that you know will be born with Downs syndrome, shows not the foolishness you'll hear the Dem's trumpet but a commitment to core beliefs that are served always not just in the breech. Ironically, Sarah Palin is the woman the liberal feminists hope to be when they grow up. That the road was just too tough will be discreetly not mentioned. The rubes in flyover country are kind of partial to women like Mrs Palin as well; the kind of woman you can dress up, or dress down, and take anywhere. Those high-strung types like Pelosi, Hillary, and numerous others strike us as high-maintenance. Our experience with high-maintenance women contraindicates their close proximity to nuclear devices.
And lastly, the arena of the small town PTA meeting is far more fraught with danger than the corridors of power in Washington. Likewise the mayorship of a small town; your constituents know where you live, know your phone number, know your dog's name, and you do not have the Secret Service to protect you from them availing themselves of any of the three.
Senator Obama and his campaign would do well to steer clear of the "experience issue" lest some voters recall that he has spent about two years of his four in high office on job-seeking. They might even have call to examine just what he accomplished in the two years he wasn't seeking the presidency. He talked about dealing with the oil companies, Mrs Palin did so. Ouch! Those are the types of comparisons they'd do well to avoid.
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Then how come they vote disproportionately for the Dems? Do you think they are stupid? Or perhaps your view isnt shared by them?
It's more of a city vs. rural thing sck5. I can show you some charts that show that urban african americans vote more Democratic than rural african americans, for example. Democrats are much more popular in the cities and Republicans are much more popular in small town and rural America across all racial and gender lines. That's not to say that rural african americans vote Republican, they don't, they still vote mostly Democrat, but it's too a much lesser degree than in the cities. Women, however, do vote Republican in rural areas.
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