Democrats versus Republicans - Page 347

sailaway21 · #**3461** (**permalink**) 08-31-2008

Here's a contrast in photo images:
surberpictures: Caribou

sailaway21 · #**3462** (**permalink**) 08-31-2008

And just why are conservatives so apparently irrationally exuberant about the addition of Palin to the ticket? Well, for one, the future just got a touch bit brighter and we like to think of ourselves as the party of optimism!

serenity4u2 · #**3463** (**permalink**) 08-31-2008

Cam... thanks for the you tube upload- hope the republicans use that to expose the dem hypocracy....

ColinV... You accuse me of being a 3rd grader for calling Osama by his name, lol.... Now since you also resorted to name calling does that make you also a 3rd grader? LOL...

Here is some great reading about Senator Osama.... Did not come from Fox news either.. Wish they would speak about it... It is also what seperates Sarah Palin from the like of Senator Osama...

"Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people," . Barack Hussein Obama

Obama has been in bed with Jew haters and Islamic jihad for years.

Farrakhan and his dear friend Reverend Wright, Obama's spiritual guru, is a vile Jew hater.

Obama is the first Presidential candidate endorsed by Hamas. He is the toast of the Islamic world.

Obama's foreign policy advisers have all taken a page from the Dhimmi Carter playbook.

Obama has been endorsed by:

William Ayers (Weatherman Underground bomber, unrepentant domestic terrorist) (Member Communist Party USA, Early mentor to Obama)

Jeremiah Wright (Black Liberation militant, racist, and Pastor)

Tony Rezko (Corrupt Financier, ties to Terror Financing)

Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam Leader, racist, anti-American)

Hamas Terrorist Organization (Islamic Terrorist Organization)

Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Islamic Terror Irganization)

Raila Odinga (Fundamental Islamic Candidate, Kenya, Obama’s Cousin)

Daniel Ortega (Marxist Sandinista Leader. Nicaragua

Raul Castro (Hard-line Communist Leader, Communist Party Illinois (US Communist Political Party) Socialist Party USA (Marxist Socialist Political Party)

The New Black Panther Party (Black Militant Organization, anti-American and racist- Mosques are preaching for Obama (muslims vote inshallah!)

YIPES.... Now thats a resume I can understand Osama is running from... Oh, ColinV, maybe I should use Osama's name... Barack Hussein Obama He chose the name Barack not his mommy and run away daddy... Yes, I chose the name OSAMA, since Ted Kennedy on the floor of the US Senate did the same and it took Ted 2 minutes to get OSAMA'S name correct.. LOL..

Jimmy Carter at the convention called Osama... "a good black boy"... LOL...

I just call him Osama- for you ColinV, I will call Him Senator Barack Hussein Obama.....

PBzeer · #**3464** (**permalink**) 08-31-2008

After reading through the transcript of Obama's acceptance speech, I can't help but be reminded of the slogan of one of the most well known bars in Alaska, Chilkoot Charlies (disclaimer, I played for their softball team for 3 years). The slogan was: "We cheat the other guy, and pass the savings on to you". To me, that pretty well sums up the laundry list of all the things Obama is promising to "give" to people.

He promises to take from the rich, be it individuals or oil companies, and give to everyone else. This from the same person who spent $6 million dollars on a stage set, just to give a speech. While talking about how he understands what the middle class is going through.

Think about that for a moment. He was giving a speech, a speech that was supposed to tell us who he was, and what we could expect from him. And they hire Britney Spears' set designer to build a temple. Is this the "change we can believe in"?

camaraderie · #**3465** (**permalink**) 08-31-2008

"We cheat the other guy, and pass the savings on to you"
Hey Beez...I thought that was WEST Marine's price matching policy!

SEMIJim · #**3466** (**permalink**) 09-01-2008

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Originally Posted by sck5

"it's more often the right/GOP that advances women and minorities"

Then how come they vote disproportionately for the Dems?

I do not know. It's a mystery to me. I have a theory, tho. I suspect it's because "liberal" Democrats tell 'em what they want to hear and promote entitlements as the solution to all the world's inequities. "Liberals" like to give people fish (or at least promise them free fish). "Conservatives" tend more to favour "teach 'em to fish." "Conservatives" tend more toward believing in equal opportunity. "Liberals" seem to believe in making people "equal," whether they're equal or not.

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Originally Posted by sck5

Do you think they are stupid?

Not stupid. Well, some of 'em. But that's a trait shared by both sides

. No, I think misguided a more apt description. (IMO, anyway.)

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Originally Posted by sck5

Or perhaps your view isnt shared by them?

That's kind of self-evident, wouldn't you say?

For the record: On most issues, I'm probably more "liberal" than "conservative." (Actually, I'm neither. I'm mostly libertarian.) I just find it hard to tolerate most "liberals" because they appear to operating in a reality completely different from mine and because they often strike me as blindingly hypocritical.

Jim

PBzeer · #**3467** (**permalink**) 09-01-2008

From simply an intellectual standpoint, the election has now become very fascinating, with some very interesting dynamics.

On the one hand, you have a candidate who rose on a message of hope and change. Yet, picked the very target he is aiming at, to help him bring about that change. One who given the chance to chart a bold, new course, instead, embraced the same old politics of big government and class warfare. A man, who to this point in his political career, has done nothing to advance the changes he says we need.

On the other hand, you have a candidate who (rightly or wrongly) has not only spoken for change, but actively worked for it. His choice of a running mate though, is one who agrees with his message, not the target of it.

When you look at the two tickets, you see one that says, Yes we can, with one that can say, Yes we have.

The so-called historic issue aside, I think this election could well become a referendum on what people really want from their government. Do they want a nanny who takes care of their every need? Or an uncle that helps them out when they need it?

To be honest, I don't know that any president can really change much of anything at this point. Americans have become far too accustomed to government as nanny. And as Obama showed in his speech, most politicians believe the way to our vote, is with a promise of more government, not less. Oh, and that $1000 check he's promising, courtesy of sticking it to the oil companies? You really believe they won't get it back, twice over, at the pump?

Rickm505 · #**3468** (**permalink**) 09-01-2008

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Originally Posted by camaraderie

Pretty left wing jaundiced view for an independent Mitch. Somehow I don't think YOU were the independent Johnny Mac was looking to convert with his pick.

Cam, I don't think choosing Palin will get many independent voters. Anyone who is solidly anti abortion and a gun totin NRA member isn't going to play that well to the Hillary people. However, I do think it is bringing the support of the right wing of the Repub party solidly behind McCain, and for that reason she was a brilliant pick.

Overall, I think Obama is going to have a tough time getting himself elected. Despite those terrific speeches, the Poll numbers just aren't changing in his favor.

I'm not a fan, but I have to say that McCain is looking stronger every week.

camaraderie · #**3469** (**permalink**) 09-01-2008

Rick...I think it is going to be VERY close as the electoral battle is really the only thing that counts and Obama as a solid but shaky lead there.
To your specific points on Palins appeal beyond the Republican base:
1. 18 million voted for Hillary. How many voted for her JUST because she is a woman. 1 million...2million? Lotsa votes there.
2. I think you overestimate the abortion thing. Certainly there are millions who support the status quo and millions who want NO abortions. But I think there are many more millions who simply think that the present law is too liberal...and that things like no parental consent and late term abortions and partial birth abortions cross the line of individual rights and get into territory that should be able to be regulated. As a practical matter...the VP doesn't have anything to do with the subject and her nomination just reinforces McCain's already known views and promises to support conservative justices. I don't think she loses any votes on this issue.
On the gun toting 2nd amendment issue...that issue has already been decided by the courts and it makes her look like a strong, confident, outdoorsy and independent woman who is more comfortable and happier in jeans and a plaid shirt than in primping. I think this is a big plus for her among independents and lots of "hillarly people" who were not elite, effete phoofy ladies...but down to earth mom's who might enjoy a trip in the RV.

I think the major knock on her that has a chance of sticking is the experience and judgement question. (As it is with Obama). The weeks ahead and the debates will tell the tale on that one....for both of them....though I think the average voter is more willing to take a chance on an inexperienced VEEP than an inexperienced PREZ if that were the ONLY issue.

sailaway21 · #**3470** (**permalink**) 09-01-2008

Well argued, Cam, and probably pretty close to how it will appear three months from now.