Democrats versus Republicans

[poopdeckpappy]

Originally Posted by sck5

Cam your point is well taken. But would you be telling us it was evidence of good parenting if a Dem had a pregnant teenage daughter?

Again, what difference dose it make. who cares if Palins daughter is pregnant, she's not running for office and who cares if McCain has 7 houses, not one of them was bought underhandedly the way Obama brought his

I honsetly think these issue are brought up by the Obamaites to offset the Wright, the Ayers, the Rezko, the radical bakground, the inexperience issues, and the On The Job Training facing the Democrats choice for president and the idiot VP who's responsible for training him

Even though it makes the Dem party and the Obama compaign look that much more silly looking, You can't blame them for trying , that's a **** load of skeletons to try and bury in the next 2 months

[PBzeer]

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[ebs001]

Serenity, I was asking if deceit and hypocricy are the cornerstones of conservatism. But your post makes an excellent point...it's damn difficult to put a name to everything. Except for SA: if he agrees its conservative, if he disagrees its liberal. Nice and simple.
I agree to demean a seventeen year old is shameful. You called it "Democratic Blog" My question is when did SA become a Democrat?
PB with all due respect you don't see any deceipt or hypocrisy??? God Bless America.

[PBzeer]

No, I don't understand the deceit and hypocrisy you're referring to, that's why I asked what it is.

[PBzeer]

I have a feeling we're going to seem some big time backing and filling from the camp of the former Illinois state senator, following his comments about if one of his daughters got pregnant.

"I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby," Obama said.

[SailKing1]

Originally Posted by serenity4u2

Ebbs, I have need to fight with you... My points were made in earlier post..
Yes Pro Choice is just that.... Think the kid made a CHOICE... Two in fact.. One, not listening to parents- as if my kids listened to me (I wish)... As if I listened to mine (I also wish)... Second CHOICE... having a baby vs running to a plan parenthood clinic and getting an abortion and not telling parents.. Many kids do that- Its a CHOICE... The Democratic blogs speak for themselves... The Girls mom is guilty of nothing decietful... She taught her kids her values. Her one kid did not listen and thier is a consequence for such a choice... To demean the 17 y/o kid as the democratic blogs have done is shameful- if they had any shame... I kind of think my earlier post spoke for itself and I think other posts by PB and others speaks for itself... You lost me with the "is that conservatism?" Not sure if you want me to answer that or give you a definition. I am certainly not a dictionary nor a voice for conservatism, yet I will give my brief reply... Its about personal responsibility and accepting that my choices have consequensces.. Its about not blaming others for my situations in life... From my own life experiences... I retired from the armed forces after 30 years... I seen many entering retirement and had virtually little savings and much debt. After 30 years of saving each payday and the years of interest and compounding I was sitting pretty good and have no need for future employment. Thats financial responsibility.. I do not need Bush, Obama or anyone to hold my hand nor do I suffer from economic anxiety. I made a choice to purchase a home and at 50 years of age own it outright- I can not understand people in there 60's with 200K mortages and massive debt with little savings. My thinking is they made some less then steller choices... Oh perhaps like my one 65 year old friend who complains about the economy and lives in a apartment and blames BUSH.. I ask him if his SEVEN divorces have something to do with his situation? and if BUSH is responsible for his marital problems... My background is in Health care... I have seen sick people with COPD who still smoke, or OBESE people with heart and or diabetes... These same people eat like crap and consider getting off the couch excessive exercise... Yet, there failing health is the fault of BUSH... I really do not know how to write this at present- other then to say- Choices have Consequences- and most people make there choices, while blaming the consequences on other people and expect other people to solve the self created problems... BTW, this may be another way I look at what may be called conservative... 535 member of our Congress spend money on wasteful programs while running up a Huge Credit Card Debt... Too many americans also live with out a budget and in there means (meaning the to run up massive debt)... The same americans blame congress for run away costs... In my household I have very little influence on the 535 members of congress.. I can vote for one US Rep and TWO US Senators- thats three people out of 535... Yet, in my household I have tremendous influence over TWO People- myself and the better half...

Ebbs, I do not know if this is conservatism as you asked... It is just my observations...

Serenity4u2,

Well Said.

[jrd22]

CP- yep, you hit the nail square on!

Serenity- very good post.

John

[sck5]

poopdeck

all of your "skeletons" have been public knowledge for months but Obama is still up 8 points in the polls. Palin is the only one of the 4 Prez and VP candidates who still has parts of her past uninvestigated by the media. The reporters will be digging into it all now and it is starting to look like it wont be too pretty (secessionist party affiliation, creationism in the schools, etc.) Now you may LIKE secessionism or creationism in your kids' science class but most people dont. They also like to see a candidate able to answer EVEN ONE QUESTION about foreign affairs. Sarah Palin has yet to do that and most of us suspect it is because she cant.

So cheer all you like, but it is very clear that Palin was a political gimmick - and not one that was very well investigated ahead of time

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us...etting.html?hp

If anything this makes me nervous about how McCain makes decisions. He shot from the hip on this one and it sure looks like he missed with everyone except die hard conservatives.

But she sure is better looking than Joe Lieberman

[chucklesR]

You know this might not be the right thread, but...Palin's issues etc.. bring it up in my mind.

How does someone call themselves "Pro - Life" and simultaneously support the "Death penalty".

Am I wrong or is this just word smithing at it's finest.

It should be called what it is, Pro-choice or anti-abortion. It's not pro-abortion because NO ONE really wants to have an abortion just for the sake of having one.

I'm tired of the word games, I'm think I'm a normal person - why do some folks continue to play them.

I can only think of one reason a staunch conservative would call an anti-abortion, pro death penalty stance 'Pro - Life" and that reason is they are think I'm too stupid to consider more than one issue at a time.

Note I left plenty of white space in my comments so you cut and paste quoters have a easy time of picking my thoughts apart in your comments. Note also I'll gladly reassemble them back into one issue, not the two you'd like it to be.

[chucklesR]

Originally Posted by sck5

poopdeck

all of your "skeletons" have been public knowledge for months but Obama is still up 8 points in the polls. Palin is the only one of the 4 Prez and VP candidates who still has parts of her past uninvestigated by the media. The reporters will be digging into it all now and it is starting to look like it wont be too pretty (secessionist party affiliation, creationism in the schools, etc.) Now you may LIKE secessionism or creationism in your kids' science class but most people dont. They also like to see a candidate able to answer EVEN ONE QUESTION about foreign affairs. Sarah Palin has yet to do that and most of us suspect it is because she cant.

So cheer all you like, but it is very clear that Palin was a political gimmick - and not one that was very well investigated ahead of time

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us...etting.html?hp

If anything this makes me nervous about how McCain makes decisions. He shot from the hip on this one and it sure looks like he missed with everyone except die hard conservatives.

But she sure is better looking than Joe Lieberman

The fact that Palin's daughter was pregnant was a no time a secret, it's well know in the local community. McCain selected a VP with proven Executive ability, i.e., qualified to govern, not posture and make speeches.

Rumor mongers saying Trig is Bristol's child are just plain idiots, Sarah Palin was obviously preggers for nine months and in the media's eye during that time.
Smear tactics aren't new, but this one is just stupid.

As to Foreign Policy, I'd like to hear Obama (the presidental candidate who should be deciding policy) answer one question on Foreign Policy coherently, and then stand by that answer for more than two weeks without word smithing and 'I meant to say" corrections.
I'd also like to know what Joe has done that qualifies him for VP, because frankly I haven't seen it and I've been looking.