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Chuck - abortion is taking an innocent life as a result of other people's choices. The death penalty is just what it says, the penalty imposed for the choices made by the person to whom it is applied to.
While I personally have no problem with someone saying they are Pro-Life and Pro-Death Penalty, I can fully understand why there are those who feel it is a contradiction. But is that anymore of a contradiction than those who say it is alright to take an innocent life by abortion, while sparing the life of a person tried and convicted of a capital crime?
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Sarah won my heart when I learned that she rejected the offer of the "Bridge to Nowhere." Do you have any idea how much political courage it took for a politician to do that? She wasn't responsible for the appropriation of that money. It would have been easy to just keep her mouth shut, accept it, build the bridge, and avoid the controversy, but she did the right thing. She recognized it for what it was - a wasteful political giveaway - and she said, "No thanks!" She deserves a great big "Attagirl" for that! 
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Hey, sck5, you forgot to throw in her husband's DUI 22 years ago. You slipping?
I won't attempt to further refute your ridiculous distortions and out of context remarks. Just keep piling them on, with supporters like you, the former state senator doesn't need any detractors.
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John,
The legal definitions of 'life' mean after birth. Abortion is therefore not taking a life, if in your opinion it is in fact taking an innocent life, also defined as murder and in fact first degree murder the question pops up - are all those who have ever gotten an abortion guilty of first degree murder; and as such under a 'pro life' agenda/government now subject to the death penalty?
Find me the reason to vote for that insane blend of moral/ethical horse puckery.
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Chuck - I'm unaware of any legal definition of when life begins. A quick google search brought up nothing definitive. I did find that the Supreme Court has ruled that human viability begins at the 22nd week and that there are laws that say killing a pregnant woman is a double homicide.If you have a link to anything that definitively states the legal definition of when life begins, I would be interesting in reading it.
I can't give you a reason to either believe in, nor against it. It is a question of one's own personal morals and ethics. One can only do what their conscience dictates in such cases. Whether abortion or death penalty, they both, are in the end, moral decisions.
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Sarah won my heart when I learned that she rejected the offer of the "Bridge to Nowhere." Do you have any idea how much political courage it took for a politician to do that? She wasn't responsible for the appropriation of that money. It would have been easy to just keep her mouth shut, accept it, build the bridge, and avoid the controversy, but she did the right thing. She recognized it for what it was - a wasteful political giveaway - and she said, "No thanks!" She deserves a great big "Attagirl" for that! |
Hate to break it to you, but her record actually says differently. in her first year as governor she supported the bridge. she only turned against it when congress dubbed it the "Bridge to no where" and cut the funding for it. Rather than stand up to anyone she simply jumped on the band wagon.
She also secured $27 million in earmarks for Wasilla while she was mayor there. At her urging the town hired a law firm to act as a lobbyist in obtaining federal funds for the town, the lawyer representing the town formerly had been the staff director for Ted Stevens. Given the roughly 6500 residents in wasilla, do the per capita math. not a bad haul, huh?
Then as governor just last february she sent a letter to uncle ted outlining an additional $200 million in earmarks she was seeking. so where is the person against wasteful government spending in all this? Seems like she is well entrenched in the "good ole boy/girl" network and knows how to put her palm out.
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I can't give you a reason to either believe in, nor against it. It is a question of one's own personal morals and ethics. One can only do what their conscience dictates in such cases. Whether abortion or death penalty, they both, are in the end, moral decisions.
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You've just made a Pro-Choice argument.
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No phallo, I made a moral and ethical statement. It has nothing to do with the right or wrong of abortion as a choice after making the choice to engage in reproductive activity.
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Palin on earmarks, from John Katz, the state's DC representative.
"Recently, members of the Alaska congressional delegation announced they would post on their Web sites the earmark requests it receives. Gov. Sarah Palin has applauded this decision.
Earlier this year, President Bush and the congressional leadership announced that the total number and dollar amount of earmarks must be reduced significantly.
The Palin administration has responded to this message by requesting 31 earmarks, down from 54 last year. Of these, 27 involve continuing or previous appropriations and four are new. The total dollar amount of these requests has been reduced from about $550 million in the previous year to just less than $200 million."
I guess that's not progress, she should have made the state go cold turkey, regardless of the fiscal consequences. And if you want to believe she started running for the job of vice-president a year ago, and made a political decision not to accept the Bridge, I can certainly live with that. The fact that she made the decision after becoming Governor and had a clearer picture of what was involved probably had nothing to do with it.
I certainly have no problem with people taking a cynical outlook on politicians. I have one myself. For myself, having followed politics during my 22 years ('77-'99) in Alaska, I can state with a fair degree of certainty, the Governor Palin is not a part of the Alaska Old-Boy Network. But please, take the word of those who have only been up there a few days over my observations.
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John,
The legal definitions of 'life' mean after birth. Abortion is therefore not taking a life, if in your opinion it is in fact taking an innocent life, also defined as murder and in fact first degree murder the question pops up - are all those who have ever gotten an abortion guilty of first degree murder; and as such under a 'pro life' agenda/government now subject to the death penalty?
Find me the reason to vote for that insane blend of moral/ethical horse puckery.
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Chuck, you decry playing word games yet you come up with something like the above?
I can't believe that you don't understand full well the difference between killing an unborn child and killing someone convicted of a capital crime.
As to whether or not someone who has ever gotten an abortion is guilty of first degree murder. How silly a remark is that?
No, they aren't. The laws aren't written that way. But there are a lot of people who feel it's murder anyway.
Are you also among those who quote the Ten Commandments to argue against the death penalty?
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