Democrats versus Republicans

[chucklesR]

John, I appreciate your views on this, what could be a touchy topic. I like the way you keep the vitrol down, and stick to opinion without stating it as fact.

having said that, my opinion (as I have no links with facts):
While the Supreme Court sidestepped the issue saying the definition of when life began is a political, not judical issue
Justice Blackmun, R v W
"We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer."

they did knowingly or unknowingly define it (and as Justices, to me that makes it a legal definition) - when they said the unborn have no legal rights to protect.
Ergo - unborn means not living alive since all living people have rights that can not be abrogated.

Brain dead people have rights, as they were born and are not yet dead.

Even dead people (heck even non-citizens) have rights in America; therefore fetuses aren't yet people.

If fetuses are in fact people there are a lot of folks going to end up on death row for having had abortions since Roe vs Wade now aren't there?

To reiterate my original question - How Pro-life is that?

[chucklesR]

Knothead,
No, I'm not confused at all and if anything trying to cut through the word playing.
The Ten Commandments are not my commandents so they don't apply except as what they were originally in there pre-Christian days - a fairly good moral and ethical standard to live by.

I'm pretty clear in my convictions, I'm pro death penalty, and entirely pro-choice.

I completely understand the difference between aborting a fetus and killing a convicted killer. Both are penalties, one imposed, one decided upon.

And yeah, calling someone pro-life who is for the death penalty is pretty damn much silly isn't it.

[PBzeer]

For something a bit lighter, a little tongue in cheek about Sarah.

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We conservatives tend to look at life not just with seriousness, but a sense of humor as well.

[knothead]

Originally Posted by chucklesR

Knothead,
No, I'm not confused at all and if anything trying to cut through the word playing.
The Ten Commandments are not my commandents so they don't apply except as what they were originally in there pre-Christian days - a fairly good moral and ethical standard to live by.

I'm pretty clear in my convictions, I'm pro death penalty, and entirely pro-choice.

I completely understand the difference between aborting a fetus and killing a convicted killer. Both are penalties, one imposed, one decided upon.

And yeah, calling someone pro-life who is for the death penalty is pretty damn much silly isn't it.

Chuck,
You say that you are trying to cut through the word games. With all due respect, I don't see it that way at all.
You know without a doubt that an unborn child is alive. Don't you? You've seen ultra-sound images of their little beating hearts, you've seen them clench their little fists.
Don't try to tell me that you are not playing word games.
They are alive. They are human. They are completely innocent. Don't tell me that you can't make a differentiation between a unborn child and a convicted murderer. I can't buy it.

[PBzeer]

If I may be so bold, I think any further discussion of the abortion/death penalty issue belongs in it's own thread. I must say also, I've said as much on the subject as I'm inclined to say.

[knothead]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

If I may be so bold, I think any further discussion of the abortion/death penalty issue belongs in it's own thread. I must say also, I've said as much on the subject as I'm inclined to say.

I'll go along with that as I know how difficult a subject this is.
It's' hard for people to deny what their eyes, head and heart tell them is true in order to maintain what they feel is a moderate position on a controversial subject.
However, this thread seems a perfectly logical place for it.

[PBzeer]

Have to disagree this is right thread for it, it's not a Dem vs Rep issue.

[sck5]

"We conservatives tend to look at life not just with seriousness, but a sense of humor as well."

We liberals, on the other hand, hate humor almost as much as we hate Dick Cheney. Nobody should ever be happy, or smile, no not when liberals are around.

And though abortion shouldnt be a Dem/Rep issue, it becomes one when one candidate is prolife and the other is prochoice. While most wont decide their vote on that alone some certainly will.

[knothead]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

Have to disagree this is right thread for it, it's not a Dem vs Rep issue.

Last word. I promise. I actually have a mast track to install.

Though members of both major political parties come down on either side of the issue, the Republican Party is often seen as being pro-life, since the official party platform recognizes the right of the unborn child to life. Republicans for Choice represents the minority of that party.
The Democratic Party platform considers abortion to be a woman's right. Democrats for Life of America represents the minority of that party.

Seems like a Dem v Rep issue to me.

[Rickm505]

The public is deciding the issue. Today's polls indicate the issues are breaking O'bama's way as they've widened considerably in the last 24 hours.

Match-up without Leaners				Match-up with Leaners
	McCain	Obama	Spread	McCain	Obama	Spread
9/2/2008	43%	48%	Obama +5	45%	51%	Obama +6

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