Democrats versus Republicans

[sck5]

Of course there is bias in the media. It goes both ways - Nobody seriously thinks that Fox news doesnt favor repubs. Likewise, nobody seriously thinks that MSNBC isnt trying to attract Dems. Sometimes, though, the facts themselves are biased as Stephen Colbert once said. Take this for example where apparently the nutbag in Palin's church thinks terrorists in Israel are Gods punishment for failure to convert to Christianity:

"..just two weeks ago, when Palin’s church, the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the founder of Jews for Jesus.

Palin’s pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church’s website.

“He’s a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism,” Kroon said.

Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.

“The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality,” he said.
Brickner’s mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community, and the Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of “targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception.”

Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."

Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her."

Seems to me that anyone who complained about the Reverend Wright had better not dismiss this one as irrelevant. It is exactly analogous - Nutcase says something in church, candidate doesnt react against it even though in this case (unlike rev. wright) the candidate was actually PRESENT when it was said two weeks ago. Heres the link

Jewish voters may be wary of Palin - Ben Smith - Politico.com

[sck5]

"Conservatives have a better record of equal rights than the liberals."

Funny how those whose rights we are talking about vote for the other guys. EIther you are wrong about this or all those women and minorities are stupid.

[RickQuann]

Ah, come on sck5, apples to apples. you really can't compare a one time guest speaker from the fringe to twenty years of Rev. Wright's sermons

[PBzeer]

Excuse me? Analagous? With what? 20 years of racist rhetoric? 20 years of God Damn America?

Sounds a lot more like they had somebody in with a different viewpoint to me. Unless of course, you can show a 20 year history of such "damning rhetoric".

Is there any flimsy straw you won't grab at? Working together for 3 years with a unrepentant terrorist isn't a relationship, but ONE sermon is? Puh-lease!

But then, when your guy says that running a political campaign is more experience than running a state, I guess you don't have a lot of options. And just how silly is it, that he seems to be running against the VP instead of the Presidential nominee?

Hurricane Sarah makes landfall tonight. Ya better be hoping it's a Gustav and not a Katrina.

[wind_magic]

Originally Posted by sck5

Of course there is bias in the media. It goes both ways - Nobody seriously thinks that Fox news doesnt favor repubs. Likewise, nobody seriously thinks that MSNBC isnt trying to attract Dems.

Of course it goes both ways, but that doesn't mean it's equal. Yes, Fox News leans towards Republicans, nobody sane disputes it. And a few newspapers do too, the Wall Street Journal being an obvious newspaper on the Republican side of things. But that pales in comparison to the media as a whole. Fox News, for example, is constantly derided by every Democrat as being the hate channel, essentially, the mouthpiece of Republicans ... yet Democrats can't seem to understand that this is exactly how Republicans feel about MOST of the "liberal media". Fox News is annoying to Democrats for the very reason it IS different than the rest of the media, it really does lean towards Republicans, it is one of the very few.

You keep using relativism to justify whatever you are saying, "it goes both ways" as an example - yes, and the Amazon "goes both ways" on rare occasions when the moon is close enough the river can reverse course for a short time and distance and actually flow backwards ... but that doesn't mean it usually does. In another series of thoughts you are trying to say that some minister who attended Palin's church makes her church the same as Reverend Wright because it goes both ways, but no, it doesn't ... one or two occurrences of something doesn't make it the same thing.

You still can't admit that the media is biased towards Democrats.

[PBzeer]

Checking out Hanna, I got to thinking, all politics aside (as well as gender), who would I rather have as crew if I have to ride out a storm. Seems like a pretty easy choice to me.

[sck5]

Well, given the recent hurricane events and the performance of the various government people in response I know that if I had to pick a relatively unknown relatively young republican governor to be in the White House, Bobby Jindal would be light years better than Sarah Palin. Sure, he isnt female but repubs arent going to get those votes anyway. Purely in terms of competence he proved himself last week in a way Palin never has.

[sck5]

And sure enough, Reverend Wright is TERRIBLE but when some nutbag says something in a Republican's church there is no lack of excuses.

Double standard anyone?

Why dont we ask Sarah Palin what she thinks about this? You know perfectly well any Dem would be asked that question. Oh, I know why - They are too afraid to let her have a press conference where reporters could actually ask her hard questions. Since when do we have major candidates who never speak to the press?

[sck5]

You want more Palin stories? How about her compliments and encouragement to the Alaska Independence Party convention this year (on tape folks) - a party which advocates leaving the union and whose leader calls our flag a "damn flag" and says he "hates" the US government?

TPM Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Founder Of Group Palin Courted Professed "Hatred For The American Government"; Cursed "Damn Flag"

I want candidates who actually like our flag. I want candidates who actually want to make the government work better rather than just hating it. When will Palin answer questions about her repeated interactions with this party? (She has attended their conventions before)

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by sck5

Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.

“The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality,” he said.

WOW I can hardly fathom a more inflammatory statement. This makes "God damn America" seem rather tame doesn't it??? Can you imagine? A person who would be vice president listening to such vile hate speach one time, and not condemning her church and congregation immediately? It just boggles the mind doesn't it?

Idiot.