Democrats versus Republicans

[primerate84]

josrulz:
Regarding your comment about delivering speeches written by speechwriters, any public speaker will not blindly accept a speech written for him or her without thoroughly reading a draft, rewording sentences and paragraphs that fit more comfortably with their speaking style, and add or subtract statements and ideas they feel necessary. It was funny to hear the liberal commentators struggle to find a problem with her speech and the way she delivered it, and all they could come up with was she didn't write it. That can be interpreted as "we have nothing and we are in trouble."

The fact of the matter is the McCain-Palin ticket is the ticket for change in Washington, while the Obama-Biden ticket is the same old politics. The dems are worried and they don't know how they are going to salvage this election.

[PBzeer]

Chuck - afraid I have to correct you a bit. Mitch is referring to the extra $1200 check, due to the large increase in oil revenues. It's seperate from the Dividend.

[phallo153]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

That's not what a community organizer is, but it can easliy be learned by a quick search on the net.

The main point is, Obama made the comparison, she turned it on him.

That is EXACTLY what a community organizer is. So is the local head of the SPCA, the PTA, the local youth recreation association. Even faith-based organizations or a local church coordinating a food drive could be considered community organizers. Anybody who dedicates time and resources to the betterment of his/her community... "Country First", right?

That having been, taking your advice, I typed 'community organizer' in my google toolbar, and have pasted the first paragraph from the first link in the results page here - I think that qualifies as a quick search?

"Community organizing is a process by which people are brought together to act in common self-interest. While organizing describes any activity involving people interacting with one another in a formal manner, much community organizing is in the pursuit of a common agenda. Many groups seek populist goals and the ideal of participatory democracy. Community organizers create social movements by building a base of concerned people, mobilizing these community members to act, and developing leadership from and relationships among the people involved."

I agree wholeheartedly with that definition. Certainly my example certainly fits that description.

I know what the intent of her remark was... but it was poorly worded and I'm sure she will retract or at least confirm that she was specifically targeting Obama's remark.

[primerate84]

Yeah, right. She'll retract her statement when Bill Maher apologizes for calling her a stewardess. You liberal dems are a funny group of elitists. Women's rights only count if you are a liberal female. Biggest group of hypocrites in the world.

[PBzeer]

phallo - if you want to know what Obama means by a community organizer, look up ACORN.

[josrulz]

Originally Posted by primerate84

josrulz:
Regarding your comment about delivering speeches written by speechwriters, any public speaker will not blindly accept a speech written for him or her without thoroughly reading a draft, rewording sentences and paragraphs that fit more comfortably with their speaking style, and add or subtract statements and ideas they feel necessary.

I agree with this portion of what you wrote, although there is no way to know how much ANY speaker has added or subtracted / input his or her own ideas (as was previously pointed out).

My point was NOT a rebuttal to Palin, NOR was it that using a speech writer is bad, uncommon, or an indication of lack of substance. My point is that there will be many more and better opportunities to get an idea of what Palin is about. A speech like this at EITHER party's convention is a marketing event--it's a commercial. That goes for ALL the candidates. Does it give you some information? Sure. But I think there will be additional opportunities that are more genuine and less PR-driven to get more information on which to base an evaluation/judgement. I think this point is true regardless of party or candidate.

[primerate84]

Probably the best way to get an idea about how a candidate will respond in his/her own words would be in the debates or in a forum like the one held at the Saddleback church.

[phallo153]

Originally Posted by primerate84

Yeah, right. She'll retract her statement when Bill Maher apologizes for calling her a stewardess. You liberal dems are a funny group of elitists. Women's rights only count if you are a liberal female. Biggest group of hypocrites in the world.

Who said I was a liberal dem? I'm a registered Indy. Look elsewhere in this thread, I voted twice for Bush. I'm also totally disgusted with him and the Republicans and THOUGHT McCain might be the maverick he claims to be. His choice as a Pentecostal for VP was, for me at least, an unacceptable compromise.

So far, the only arguments you folks have made is that she's better than Obama. That's not going to work. She doesn't have to impress the base, they'd view a head of lettuce as 'fresh and crisp'... just as the far left would.

Women's rights? Bill Maher? What the hell are you talking about? Geez.

Out here...

[phallo153]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

phallo - if you want to know what Obama means by a community organizer, look up ACORN.

We're not talking about Obama's definition - we all know what you think of him.

We're talking about Palin's remark. It was meant for Obama and it really pissed off a lot of community organizers, if you're following the news.

Once again, I didn't even catch it the first time. Somebody else thought it was a great zinger. I just thought I'd point out that your side could do a much better job of appealing instead of alienating. Hell, I was just accused of being elitist... I'm not the one that said a community organizer has no actual responsibility

[wind_magic]

Originally Posted by xort

I guess I'll have to agree with you on this one. That bias in the media has a very strong effect for those who tune into to the morning gab fests at abc, nbc, cnn & cbs and listen to their bile every day.

nbc & cbs & cnn were busted for actually fabricating stories, I don't remember Fox getting caught doing that.

This isn't entirely accurate either - Fox does have Geraldo Rivera and he makes xxxx up all the time. Geraldo has never left his daytime drama/shock television roots. Geraldo's inventions are so fantastic that the best way to listen to what he is saying is to pretend it's pure entertainment and listen as if you are reading 3 eyed alien stories at the checkout counter.