Also, the ideas that the Bush administration has had, like the RFID passports, the TSA's general handling of airport security and such has been at best laughable. In the most recent "red team" penetration tests of airports, about 95% of the mock bomb/weapon devices made it aboard the plane. That's not very reassuring. The Bush regime would have far more credibility IMHO if they could find their ASS with their hands in the dark, but they can't.
The Bush administration also plays games with the Terrorist Threat level for purely political gain—which isn't something you generally see in countries that have a decent track record for dealing with terrorism, like the UK, Spain, Israel, Germany, etc.
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4000 dead soldiers is what is wrong to me. I can not wrap my mind around the concept that terrorist would rather fight an army with tanks and jets rather then some soft target anywhere in America.
Please explain to me, how that keeps them out of America or at least acknowledge that Bush did this entire war for his own personal glory/vision of what is right and used whatever misinformation that he could to get others to believe in him. "I'll make you proud Daddy" comes to mind.
EDIT: I forgot we went there to find WMD's when we couldn't find them we went to battle the terrorist.
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Exactly how have we succeeded in Iraq. Much of the country is still in chaos with little or no basic services. We haven't gotten a dime of restitution or payment. Their oil infrastructure is still basically trashed. The chances of getting out of there in the next ten years and not leaving it a complete cluster**** is almost non-existent. The government that is there is ineffectual and highly corrupt.
Oh, yeah, you're using GWB's dictionary... and he's using words and definitions that haven't made it to Merriam Webster's version of English yet.
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You're right Dawg, we haven't accomplished diddly squat.
The main stronghold of the Sunnis, Anbar Province, has been turned over to Iraqi control (I think that was buried on about page 48 of the NYT's). 15 out of 18 of the political benchmarks have been reached. Infrastructure has been rebuilt, and oil is flowing, so they can now have an economy. Elections are scheduled, and all factions have joined in the government. Fewer US soldiers were killed this summer than there were murders in Chicago. Troop levels are being drawn down, as the Iraqi's become better trained, along with the marked decrease in violence.
So no, we aren't succeeding at all. And I don't know who the he**'s dictionary that would come from. One can only hope that Bush Derangement Syndrome is self-healing, once he leaves office.
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I thought it was the Taliban that attacked us and not al-Qaeda. All Iraq has done is bleed off resources we really don't have to fight the real war on terror.
Oh, whenever you feel a strong breeze that is the founders spinning in their graves because of the Patriot act.
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Radical Islamic terror is not just one group. It's not just al-Queda, the Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc., etc..
Ya know, I've said many times that I have problems with Bush. I've also said many times I have problems with Obama. The ONE thing I haven't done, is question the sincerity of their motivations.
I think Obama is wrong on a lot of things, but I don't question his sincerity.
I think Bush HAS been wrong on a lot of things, but I don't question his sincerity. That's the way civilized society works, civility.
If people want to find something deep and dark beneath everything, they will. Though I'll be damned if I can figure out what Bush is going to do with all this power he's supposed to be grabbing, four months from now.
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True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
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4000 dead soldiers is what is wrong to me. I can not wrap my mind around the concept that terrorist would rather fight an army with tanks and jets rather then some soft target anywhere in America.
Please explain to me, how that keeps them out of America
I imagine it's difficult to execute another attack on U.S. soil when you're busy hiding in some cave in Afghanistan.
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Yes I do, you have one president lie about a blow job and gets impeached and another's lies lead to the direct death of 4000 Americans, and nothing happens !!!
Perhaps that's because those that can do something about it don't see it that way. Also, I think it's a miss-characterization to say the President's actions is the direct cause of 4000 American deaths.
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jeez, this just doesn't get through.
EVERYBODY believed the butcher of bagdad had WMD's. Clinton said it repeatedly while in office with access to all the intel. Every country around the world said he had them, but lets focus on one...france. France fought all the sanctions because they had the most to loose with their sweetheart deals with the butcher. So they had plenty of reason and the inside access to reveal the "Bush lies". But they haven't because there are none. Russia would love to smear Bush with "Bush lied" but they haven't. I'd be willing to bet John F'ing Kerry asked Jack Chiraq directly for some dirt on Bush...and he got none because there was none.
So WE all made a mistake in thinking the butcher of bagdad had WMD. Plenty of dems in congress who sat on intel committees during Clinton & Bush admins voted to go to war. We started it and we need to finish what we've started.
For the congresspeople who helped create this situation and then turn around and blame Bush for this mistake is treason.
I thought it was the Taliban that attacked us and not al-Qaeda. All Iraq has done is bleed off resources we really don't have to fight the real war on terror.
Oh, whenever you feel a strong breeze that is the founders spinning in their graves because of the Patriot act.
The Taliban was the ruling entity in Afganistan, they not only harbored the Al Qaeda, they supplied traing facilities and equipment left over from the Afgan/Russian war, Al Qaeda ran free as a bird between Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan & Iran ( and still do in some areas )
The attack on 9/11 came from Al Qaeda supporters thoughout the region, but launched from Afganistan with full knowledge and support of The Taliban in Afganistan, Saddam in Iraq, the meathead of Iran, and the moron in Libia
Had we not taken it to them on their turf, I shutter to think how many more innocent civilians here in the US might have been kill just going to work, school or to a mall or sporting event
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"EVERYBODY believed the butcher of bagdad had WMD's."
No. They didnt. Millions didnt believe it here and marched about it. Go read the papers at the time. 120 Democrats in Congress didnt believe it and refused to authorize the use of military force. Foreign governments didnt believe it, most prominently the Brits who thought that the "intelligence was being fixed around the policy" as shown in the Downing Street memos.
This is one of the big myths of the right that has been repeated so many times that many people actually believe it by now. But it isnt true and never was. Many millions were never fooled. One of the reasons for that is that UN inspectors looked for WMD's and never found them - In fact they were looking right up to the day the Bush administration told them they could no longer guarantee their safety (because we were about to invade)
jeez, this just doesn't get through.
EVERYBODY believed the butcher of bagdad had WMD's.
Do you do remember in Gulf I were Saddam flew his planes to Iran for protection and the ones he didn't fly out, he buried in the desert
With the amount of deliberate telegraphing we did, I imagin he had the time to rid himself of what ever WMD he had and I bet they are now in the hands of Syria & Iran or buried to be found sometime down the road
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