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Now that Congress is back from it's month long vacation, they only have 15 working days, until they take the next 3 months off. No wonder people want to be in office!
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Mitch,
They were 'outmaneuvered and outranked' because, in a nut shell, they were WRONG. They were playing politics, not commanding.
Let's all keep in mind that JCS's are political appointee's and serve at the pleasure of the commander in chief, not the other way around.
Keep in mind also that Pace wasn't 'on the ground' in Iraq and was primarily concerned (as per the writer) with the PERSTEMPO (rotation of troops) and other political aspects that are NOT within his scope.
As a retired servicemember I'm here to tell you that PACE was the worst JCS we've had sitting in that chair in decades, frigging politician his whole career.
Hind sight is 20/20, let's keep in mind too that the surge worked and accomplished it's mission. Period.
Those 5 brigades were 'ready' brigades, not the only brigades, and they were replaced with 5 more brigades as the new standing ready brigades.
I'm tired of pansy assed folks saying our military is breaking, WWII saw YEARS of being away and fighting, I prefer to think our young soldiers are just as good as they were then. We break when THEY say they are breaking, hell I did a TWO year tour myself you pansies.
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Chuckles,don't think you even read the article. I t clearly states that Bush's decision (BASED ON THE AEI PAPER OF ALL THINGS)had been opposed by Casey and Abizaid, his military commanders in Iraq. The same people Bush was telling the AMerican public he was relying on for advice.
And the militery commanders themselves were the ones worrying about the troops. Are they the pansies you are referring to? at least read the article. you don't have to agree with it. and go back and read yesterday's too.
And yes, the surge did work along with the iRaqi's deciding to stand up themselves against al Qaeda, along with al Sadr calling a truce for his army, etc., et.c not one of those things happened in a vacuum and all so happily worked together.
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1.20.09 Bush's last day the end of an error !! Hopefully we still have a constitution and economy left by then.
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F'n Bush, I just opened a can of Easy Cheese and there's no pressure
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CNN has been hammering all day on Palin and McCain. Every story is about Obama today. At this exact moment they are talking about how Republicans are re-igniting the culture wars, 10 minutes ago it was about Palin's bridge to nowhere, before that was McCain talking about change followed immediately by an Obama rebuttal that I know they've played 10 times in the past few hours. While I'm writing about this they're talking about how Karl Rove's "big thing" is to get small town America agitated so that they come out and vote.
I mean how could anybody possibly think this isn't media bias ? It's just over and over, an obvious slant. Now they are on Palin again as I write this with some kind of church story. Just over and over. Even Lou Dobbs was on it tonight about bias, and it's the same channel that hosts his show!
I think that 10 point jump in the polls really made some people take notice.
Now as I finish this message, they are reassuring all the Obama supporters by saying the polls don't really matter because Obama is still ahead in the electoral battle ...
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Ok just out of couriosity, puting Repubican or Democrat party aside, do you guys think that McCain or Obama are really worth a damn? Because I'm kinda thinking were going to be screwd either way it go's, and I hope I'm wrong. Oh well just wanted your honest opinions.
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Drifter...you obviously have mis-understood the purpose of our ability to vote every 4 years. The purpose is to determine which candidate will leave you less screwed 4 years hence. 
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Ok just out of couriosity, puting Repubican or Democrat party aside, do you guys think that McCain or Obama are really worth a damn? Because I'm kinda thinking were going to be screwd either way it go's, and I hope I'm wrong. Oh well just wanted your honest opinions.
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Whether either are worth a darn or not, one of them is going to be elected and their influence could have some serious long term effects on our economy, security, personal freedoms and how we're viewed by our neighbors.
I thought this article was pretty good at laying out what's at stake:
Conrad Black: Americans face the most important election choice since Ronald Reagan - Full Comment
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Yeah that seems to be the way I always end up making my choice lol. It's just this time I'm not sure who worse. 
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Originally Posted by SailorMitch
Chuckles,don't think you even read the article. It clearly states that Bush's decision (BASED ON THE AEI PAPER OF ALL THINGS)had been opposed by Casey and Abizaid, his military commanders in Iraq. The same people Bush was telling the AMerican public he was relying on for advice.
And the militery commanders themselves were the ones worrying about the troops. Are they the pansies you are referring to? at least read the article. you don't have to agree with it. and go back and read yesterday's too.
And yes, the surge did work along with the iRaqi's deciding to stand up themselves against al Qaeda, along with al Sadr calling a truce for his army, etc., et.c not one of those things happened in a vacuum and all so happily worked together.
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Chuckles is correct. President Bush lost confidence in his generals (nothing new there-Lincoln had the same problem!) and promoted Casey up and out-in essence, Abizaid retired, and Petraeus, along with his theory of counterinsurgency warfare, which I like to call "asses in the grass", got promoted to running Iraq. It's hardly likely that Mr. Woodward would recognize the way changes in course are made at the highest levels of the military as he's spent the better part of his career despising them.
In short, President Bush sacked his generals and got new ones who could "git 'er done". Generally speaking, that's called leadership.
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An excellent discourse on why Liberals keep managing to lose elections they should win. I've made the point previously, but Mr Cook makes the case in a fairly objective look at the subject.
FT.com / Columnists / Clive Crook - Democrats must learn some respect
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An excellent article, John. I'd wager that James Carville himself would find little to disagree within it. But then, he ran the one of the only successful Democratic campaigns of the last fifty years. (g)
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