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Of course, we could always talk about the mistakes made by other past presidents, that put us in the situation where a war in Iraq was necessary/possible. It would have as much bearing, but lack the outlet for Bush bashing, which is really the only purpose.
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As for the war, I though the purpose was cheap gas. I guess that didn't work.
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Well, Steve, that was one of the meme's they tried to hang on it. Not true, but it sounded good.
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As for the war, I though the purpose was cheap gas. I guess that didn't work.
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That has always been one of my favorites.
More extreme Democrats will say with a straight face that the war was about oil, obviously, because there were millions of people marching around the world with "No blood for oil" signs before the war started, and that the President is so inept that he couldn't even get lower gas prices out of the war.
Like scientists say, sometimes the most simple explanation is the best - maybe the reason oil prices didn't go down after the war was because the war never was about oil in the first place.
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In all honesty politics today is so full of double talk that it's impossible to tell what a candidate will really do. People mostly just vote their party no matter what their candidate says. It's more about making a villain out of the other guy than actual thought about policy.
I like low taxes, but I truely have no idea who to vote for to make that happen.
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McCain has now caught up with Obama on InTrade. Basically a 30 point turn around. Read one piece today about Axlerod, that pointed out that while he has had success in urban campaigns, he doesn't really have much experience with the broader national electorate. Or, as one lefty blogger put it, when you're explaining, you're losing.
On an intellectual level (or political junkie), this has become a fascinating campaign. While I urged a Palin nomination long before it was made, I had no idea it would be so effective. Of course, I didn't factor in the feeding frenzy from the MSM, since I didn't think they could be so out of touch.
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Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
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As it turns out, virtually everyone, Democrat and Republican alike, agrees that President Bush's decision to employ the surge was correct, and "...the advice of most of his military brass, including the 2 main guys on the ground at the time (casey and Abizaid)" was wrong. The surge worked.
[color=#666666] Which "Commanders on the ground" do you think he was referring to? Do you think he was referring to Casey and Abizaid? They were the ones who opposed it. He obviously wasn't referring to them. Since he wasn't getting the bold and creative advice that he expected from them, he undoubtedly sought out ideas elsewhere. Perhaps he sought ideas from some of the military experts of our allies, such as Israel, or others. Or, perhaps he talked with some of the Generals who were in-theatre, and who had hands-on experience with the problems. Those are undoubtedly the "Commanders on the ground in Iraq" to whom he was referring.
It isn't unprecedented for a President to look to junior officers to cut through the over-inflated egos, petty jealousies, nest-feathering and face-saving timidity of top-ranking Generals. That's why President Roosevelt elevated Dwight Eisenhower to Supreme Commander of all Allied Forces. He needed someone who hadn't yet become prone to such foolishness, and who could get on with the business of winning the war.
President Bush apparently found one or more "Commanders on the ground in Iraq" who gave him the bold, creative advice that he was seeking, and he had the political courage to act on their advice.
You haven't shown where the President's statement was a lie.
He exercised leadership.
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talk about twisted logic. so bush canvassed every commander on the ground to find some who liked his surge strategy, huh? seems more like shopping for yes men than leadership under your invention. keep on swilling that kool aide. it only costs $10 billion a month. BUSh"s "brave, creative" advice came from the conservative American Enterprise Institute anyway. the only general vaguely involved in that was a retired one.
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1.20.09 Bush's last day the end of an error !! Hopefully we still have a constitution and economy left by then.
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talk about twisted logic. so bush canvassed every commander on the ground to find some who liked his surge strategy, huh? seems more like shopping for yes men than leadership under your invention. keep on swilling that kool aide. it only costs $10 billion a month. BUSh"s "brave, creative" advice came from the conservative American Enterprise Institute anyway. the only general vaguely involved in that was a retired one.
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If it's true that the idea for the surge originated with the conservative American Enterprise institute, let me tell you how proud I am, as a conservative, that a conservative think tank came up with the idea for the surge that is so widely regarded as being successful in reducing the violence in Iraq. If the liberals were really as smart as they think they are, I'll bet a liberal think tank could also have come up with some good ideas to help win the war and reduce the violence, if only they'd put their minds to it, instead of mindlessly carping at President Bush.
Oh, and you still haven't shown where the President's statement was a lie.
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I think the Dems and friends are going to find that women have more than abortion on their mind. When they see a successful woman, who has accomplished all the goals of "feminism", except she is pro-life, being put down in the manner they are going after Palin, it sends a message that most women aren't too happy to hear.
I would have thought, after the backlash from Hillary voters, they would understand this. Apparently they don't. Many women see the attacks on Palin not as against a candidate, but against a woman. And not some distant icon of a figure, but one who is just like they are.
Until the Democrats start realiing there's a lot more flyover country than there is East and West Coast, they'll continue to stuggle in national elections.
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Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
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