Democrats versus Republicans

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by Freesail99

I don't know your background, but that is truely spoken like someone who doesn't have children of his own.

The time to make a decision regarding your "children" entering the military is before they enter the military. Democratic republics do not have a referendum on which wars they'll fight. The referendum takes place on the first Tuesday in November. The notion that parents have some type of say-so as to which wars their enlisted children will fight in is just wrong-headed. Of course, most holding such views never saw a war worth fighting or can name a single thing worth dieing for.

For the record, I am in favor of national service-and not the Peace Corps, btw. If the minimum military service commitment is two years I think the minimum national service commitment should be three years. We've plenty of domestic projects to keep those too good for service busy. I reject the notion, as expressed by Cam, that the nation has no right to call upon the citizen to service. While I am not so naive as to expect everyone to understand the debt we owe our country, I'm willing to accept service in lieu of understanding and even willingness.

Ossetia is not a strategic US interest but Europe is one, and Ossetia effects Europe. Europe should act but the US will find it difficult to not be involved.

[Freesail99]

The time to make a decision regarding your "children" entering the military is before they enter the military.

My son and I had the talk about this just last week. That is one reason, why this subject is so close to me right now. For 7 hours I tried to draw on everything I could to shine the light and his ill conceived notions of what the military is and not what he thought the military was. I hope I opened up his eyes on what he was really getting involved in. I make no apologies of not wanting to lose my only son to some politicians war.

[camaraderie]

Originally Posted by Rickm505

That is challenging Democrats on election day for their right to vote. It would appear that they bought Michigan's current list of homes in the foreclosure process, and are using it as the basis for the challenge.
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“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week.
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Now anyone who understands the foreclosure process realizes that almost all of these folks are still in their homes. The Republicans need Michigan and are stooping to new lows to get it.

Who in this thread supports these underhanded and illegal tactics? You know, between what they've done to the economy and now this, doesn't this make you proud to be a republican?

The Michigan Democratic Party and the Obama campaign just finished a conference call announcing that they will sue the Republican Party over this.

Thank God somebody is watching out for Americans.

Rick...you are much better on the market crash thread.
The Democrats .... Their number one perpetrator of fraud, ACORN, is at it again, this time in Michigan:

Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group working to help low- and moderate-income families. The majority of the problem applications are coming from the group ACORN, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which has a large voter registration program among its many social service programs. ACORN's Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees.


"There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications," said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State's Office. "And it appears to be widespread."

The U.S. Attorney's office declined to comment on whether it is investigating voter fraud perpetrated by ACORN.



Forget the Obama/Acorn link for the moment...do you think sme of those fraud registrations might just be using foreclosed addresses?? Nah...they probably just use the same address twice.

[xort]

acorn has had how many of it's community organizers sent to jail?

wasn't most of obamas work as an organizer with acorn?

just asking?

[sailingdog]

Originally Posted by sailaway21

Right On!, Dog!

Maybe you're not so bad for a right wing conservative wacko...

As I've said previously, I'm pretty conservative on a lot of things...

[Rickm505]

Originally Posted by camaraderie

Rick...you are much better on the market crash thread. .

It's an industry that some might say I'm familar with. As for general elections... I was a Reagan Republican. Bush put an end to that. Although I have no party affiliation, I can't help thinking that 8 years of a Republican in the White House is enough. There will be enough Republicans in Congress to balance power.

I say lets give them a shot. They sure can't do any worse.

[camaraderie]

Originally Posted by Rickm505

There will be enough Republicans in Congress to balance power.

No there won't be. And then we'll end up with lots of bad stuff when there is no veto or filibuster proof Congress. Stuff like todays Dem Energy bill in contrast to the Rep bill which stands no chance:

[Rickm505]

Now look who's playing politics..

Oil is the short term solution to our country's energy requirements. Even the oil experts say that there just isn't all that much left. Forget sending our boys in to securre oil wells, forget tax breaks for oil companies, but give it for exploration. I hope we tax the bejesus out of oil companies after the rape and pillage that has been allowed for the past 8 years. They have it coming, and they know they have it coming. They all became obscenely wealthy and totally disregarded the fact that 4000 servicemen died in the process.

The real future is in renewables. The common ground is nuclear of course. We have to S O L V E our energy problem, not slap yet another political band aid on the it, or kill more of our sons and daughters to keep oil flowing. This is a zero sum game.

While were on the subject, I have a question. When oil hit $150 a barrel, I was paying $4.05 a gallon at the pump. It's now $93 a barrel and has been less than $105 a barrel for over a week. How is it that I'm paying $3.78 a gallon today?

Forget traders, oil sheiks, oil companies. Lets find a real alternative to handing the arabs $$ trillion per year.

[camaraderie]

Hey...
First...this thread is ABOUT politics!
Second...I agree with MUCH of what you say
-I don't want to rely on foreign oil or HAVE to send in our troops anywhere to protect our supplies. I am FOR exploiting our oil and not sending the money to our enemies or sending our troops to deal with them for oil.
-I disagree on the USA oil companies..their profit margins aren't obscene and it is the FOREIGN/STATE owned oil that controls 90% of the world supply and prices by regulating supply. We need our own oil as much as possible to hold THEM in line.
- I'm with you on nukes and I HOPE the real future is in renewables...but thy are decades away from being cost competitive OR having an infrastructure that can support our needs. Nukes we know can be competitive but it takes more than a decade to bring a plant on line even under expedited conditions...which never happen.
It is no band-aid when you have enough oil to support decades of use while the other solutions are being worked on but the Dems won't let you use what you have...preferring to give the bucks to the Saudi's.
We need to DRILL NOW an get all the OIL we can NOW while we exploit and explore and develop other technologies that will work down the road.

[serenity4u2]

Cam, Your points are valid.. If you actually have to defend them it should tell you that the people your talking to are not worth your time.. I know that sounds condesending.. It is what it is...

- Only a FOOL supports sending 750 billion to the middle east verses Drilling on our own soil... We have more Coal in AK then Suadis have Oil- thats not counting AK's oil which is LESS then there natural Gas... Cam- ppl who oppose you have NEVER even been to AK and just oppose you becuae they HATE our counry... Remember- PLS Remember- The communist movement in America ended up in the the Environmental movement... Go back and listen to the communist movement in this country- you will understand the environmental EXTREMISM.... I am getting OLD but I recall that movement VERY well...

- Cam, you are incorrect when you say it takes Ten years to get nuclear power on board (if I read you correct- if not srry)... Ten years is a self or Gov imposed policy... I retired after 30 years from the military- not nuclear, USMC)... My dad served aboed the first nuclear submarine in the navy (world). Part of Rickover's Navy... He retired as a submarine commander (commanded the USS George C Marshall SSBN)... He works in eastern WA at the DOE (Hanford). His last duty staion was at Cornell (ROTC).. Think the only ROTC program left at an IVY League Unv... PHD Nuclear Phisics..

- Cam, it really does not take TEN years- nor did it take France Ten years..

- We have the opportunity to be energy free- it will take Nuclear, hydro (tapped out) Oil / Gas more drilling....