Democrats versus Republicans

[sailingdog]

Rick-

Umm...last I checked I didn't live in the 52nd state up north...

Bush is an idiot. He's lucky he can find his backside to wipe it every day. Actually, cheney probably does that for him. While I have nothing against individual republicans, and consider quite a few friends... I do have a problem with the idiot in chief who is currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue.

Originally Posted by Rickm505

Shhhh...... you're not supposed to mention that. Why that's unpatriotic. Almost (dare I say it) communist talk. Oh, you're safe being a Canadian... right?

Of course anyone who points out that he ran up another $5 trillion in debt will just be called a lunatic and committed.

While we're at it, please don't mention that Bush attacks the wrong country. Heck, if you lived here the'd send the dept of Homeland Security to come have a talk with you.

Republicans get very angry when we deal with their "Record". Heck, don't ya know, we're supposed to pay attention to their promises.

[PBzeer]

Originally Posted by Rickm505

Ummm, how can you say that a guy who voted with the President more than 90% of the time "stood up against his own party"? Talk about spin...

And that's the problem with his record as well. The only way this guy is a "Maverick" is in his own mind.

Well, considering Obama voted with hs party 97% of the time, maybe I don't understand math. I always thought 10% was more than 3%, obviously I'm wrong. McCain went against the party on campaign finance refor. m and immigration for two major issues. What has Obama stood up for against his party? Given the chance to work with McCain on campaign finance reform he first said yes, before he said no.

Obama has no record of bi-partisanship. At least what little bit there is of his record. No list of accomplishments, no list of achievements, other than running for office. And if you think the number one liberal n the Senate is going to lower the debt, maybe you ought to go add up his promises.

[chucklesR]

Ya'll push yourself off as at least semi-educated in politics and financial matters then come into the thread and talk crap like the President of the United States has anything to do with the economy.
You really should know better by now. Like Clinton 'made' the surplus - name a single thing he did to help the economy, besides his buddy inventing the internet of course.

Please don't go into 'he raised taxes' - we've shown how that hurts, not helps the economy ad frigging nauseam yet the dem's here still don't get it because 1-1 = 2 to them - still.

The most the Pres can do is appoint people to Sec of Tres and the Fed - and those appointments are to political positions that have to pass through Congress - and unless my memory fails Bush inherited those from Clinton and kept them until recently when they had to be accepted by a DEM controlled Congress.
Finger's starting to stop pointing yet?
How many regulations has Congress passed in the past two years since they took control?
How many have they tried to pass?
Not one.
Not one.
Why?
To quote your boys (Reid)
"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid -- who also complained that he didn't know a bailout of AIG was in the works -- said Congress won't change laws immediately to address the rapidly unfolding financial crisis because "no one knows what to do." "
Don't have a frigging Clue

Why ? Cause all they have done is point fingers (Pelosi):

"I think that Congress needs to take -- before they start throwing arrows -- take a little bit of time for some self-reflection," she said. "But also, why don't we just set that aside for a minute and focus on the fact that we have a crisis that we're trying to manage."

Meanwhile all she's doing is throwing arrows.


The president of the united states can not write, or sign by fiat make a single LAW or regulation, or approve the funding for a regulatory agency or oversight committee - it has to come from Congress - and congress is throwing arrows and clueless.

I'm not saying Georgie isn't as stupid as a wart on a turd, but it isn't him folks, it's the entire system; both parties, both houses and the money that backs them.
The other thing a Pres can do is inspire people with words and actions, I give Georgie a solid neutral on that, leaning negative. He inspires me to change the channel.

[SailKing1]

Here is a link to the actually votes against party for each candidate. This is for the same tome period (2005 to present) which indicates a dramatic difference in voting against party lines, not to mention what the vote was against.

McCain - (98)
Obama - (46)

Enjoy!

Obama
Votes Against Party by Barack Obama | Congress votes database | washingtonpost.com

McCain Votes Against Party by John McCain | Congress votes database | washingtonpost.com

[chucklesR]

Thanks Sailking,
I wish they could list those in 'english' - having read them I can't tell what the hell Obama stands for


Oh

Nothing.

[Rickm505]

Originally Posted by SailKing1

Here is a link to the actually votes against party for each candidate. This is for the same tome period (2005 to present) which indicates a dramatic difference in voting against party lines, not to mention what the vote was against.

Thanks but is this really necessary? John McCain said he voted with the President more than 90% of the time. Isn't that good enough, or are you implying he's a liar?

[PBzeer]

Wishing that McCain is Bush, doesn't make it true.

[Rickm505]

Originally Posted by chucklesR

Ya'll push yourself off as at least semi-educated in politics and financial matters then come into the thread and talk crap like the President of the United States has anything to do with the economy.

Really? The President doesn't matter? I think every fan of Ronald Regan will shout from the mountain tops that this is an idiotic statement. Hell, you should be one of them...

Originally Posted by chucklesR

Please don't go into 'he raised taxes' - we've shown how that hurts, not helps the economy ad frigging nauseam yet the dem's here still don't get it because 1-1 = 2 to them - still.

Speaking of taxes. Your boy ran up $5.6 trillion in 8 years and is leaving with us, the taxpayer, with the bill. Now you say we can't raise taxes? So, what's your plan on paying back the $10 trillion total debt we have? By not raising taxes? Here we go again....republican math....

Originally Posted by chucklesR

"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid -- who also complained that he didn't know a bailout of AIG was in the works -- said Congress won't change laws immediately to address the rapidly unfolding financial crisis because "no one knows what to do." ".

It's true, no one knows what to do. Should I post the definition of unprecedented? Bernacke and Paulson are flying by the seat of their pants and no one.. not me, not you or the President knows if it will work.

Originally Posted by chucklesR

""I think that Congress needs to take -- before they start throwing arrows -- take a little bit of time for some self-reflection," she said. "But also, why don't we just set that aside for a minute and focus on the fact that we have a crisis that we're trying to manage.".

At last back to basics. It is a crisis. And who caused it. You can say it... it's OK...we all know.... republicans. And who takes the bullet for the screw up. The head guy, that's who. It's his team, his screw up. If he was Japanese, he would have fallen on his sword by now. Oh wait a minute, he never showed up for National Guard duty to get a sword... now did he?

One last thing. I'm not a Democrat. However, I did have the good sense to resign from the Republican party when I couldn't stand the embarassment any longer.

Boy, I wanted this to be longer, but I'm out of time...

[PBzeer]

No Rick, you may not be a Dem, just a garden variety liberal.

Clinton raised taxes, Bush cut them. Bush tax revenue was 20% greater than Clinton's. Do the math.

[chucklesR]

Rick,
Hyberbole and insults don't make it true either, here or in your other haunt.

Really, wake up and use the mind you say you have for something other than making insults and innuendo's.

You didn't address one of my statements as being non-factual or offer a single counter except your overblown standard insults.

I'll say it again, the President doesn't have the power to sign or create a single frigging law, and he inherited the policies, regulations, funding and laws that made the mess we are in. ALL of it including 9/11 and the intelligence agencies that botched it up so bad on Iraq.

You say you've got a mind. Post for us the numbers that caused that deficit, and which party was responsible for those programs - or read back in thread and get the numbers from there.

Social frigging spending, not something a republican put in place - is the single largest ticket item causing our deficit.
Iraq runs 130bill a year - hell we spent that fixing New Orleans, so far. 130 billion is a trickle in the bucket compared to the wealth redistribution system we have in place in america.