Democrats versus Republicans

[serenity4u2]

Sure Chuckles- lol... I know your joking about Biden... This from a man by his own tax returns who has donated no MORE then 300 dollars a year to charity.
The man made over 3.5 million in past TEN years and according to his tax returns ONLY donated 3000 dollars- WOW, what a patriot... I gave twice that amount this year alone... I do not live on a multimillion dollar compund like Biden... He is very generous with what Sarah Palin calls OPM- other peoples money... Just remember you do not help the Wage Erner bu Punishing the Wage Payer...

If Biden and his environmentalist groups who give him power allowed for more US Energy independance in the USA we would be creating AMERICAN JOBS which would create AMERICAN Tax Payers and ultimately keep OUR Money Here vs sending A trillion over seas... Remember the same recipients of our money then buy our debts by loaning us money and charging us tax payers interest rates... Kind of seems we are getting shafted in numerous ways...

Listen to Sarah Palin on Hannity... She understands Job creation (private sector- not gov'nt) and creating a surplus...

[serenity4u2]

YouTube - Sarah Palin - Fox Interview - Sean Hannity Part 2

[cardiacpaul]

" The demise of overpaid, union jobs is not the end of the American Dream. "

Heres a lil story (and history)

Back in the late 70's GE was producing televisions in Liverpool NY. Had been since the late '50's. huge investments in the factories, as well as GE's heavy military did a lot of CAD and research there.
OK... Every 3 yrs the IBEW renegotiated the contract for the over 1500 workers. All is good.
My ex-Father-in-Law was at that time a 17 year GE Employee. he was a Floor Waxer. not a sweeper, not a mopper, he didn't empty the trash in the offices. They had other individuals to do that. If the floor wasn't swept, He didn't do it, he waxed. If the floor wasn't mopped, he waxed it. If the trash can was still on the floor, he didn't move it, He waxed.
For that job, he was paid the pawltry sum of 19.85 per hour. Keep in mind, this is 1978, and he was pulling a little over 60k per year, with overtime... in 1978. As a WAXER.

Now, every 3 yrs, the contract was up. Costs were high, Every 3 yrs, he could bank on ytaking his vacation for the first 3 weeks of july, 'cuz they'd strike. Like clockwork. Every 3 yrs, at least a 3 week strike. Since the early 60's Strike. OK.
Enter Jack Welsh. "Neutron Jack"
During the prievious negotiations with the IBEW, jack said, "If you go out on strike again, I'll close this plant."
Yea, right. GE made over 3000 TV's a day there, the largest producer of US made TVs at that time. He wasn't going to close the plant, never happen.

June 1st, IBEW opens negotiations, July 1st, IBEW goes out on strike.

July 2nd. GE Electronics Park, Liverpool NY chained its gates. Production of TV's closed for good.

Good job, IBEW. Thanks.

GE reopened the plant 11 months later, with just heavy military and the CRT division.

Nov. 1987, the cathode ray tube div. closed for good.

[serenity4u2]

Paul, thanks for the history... I here such stories all the time... That is my main point.. Government jobs (tax payer based) vs private sector... Many of those private sector jobs will be unioun- lets be realistic... I like the idea of Governor Palin pushing the oil and gas companies to build a 40billion dollar pipeline (there revenues) not the tax payers... Then those jobs will be very high paying jobs (union included)... The tax revenues go to the state plus the tx revenues of natural resorces also go back to the state- WOW, thats a win - win deal for Alaskans...

Paul, I'd always favor private sector jobs (where they have to pay for there own over head) vs gov'nt jobs... Now hear is a story for you....

The janitor, grounds keeper, and cooks at the VA hospital in Seattle WA get up to 30 dollar an hour- they also get federal health insurance (better then the amputee vet showing up for care).. Plus ther spouse and dependent children also get federal health care (The Vet and his family DO NOT).. Thats ALL PAID by the US tax payers for Veteran Health Care... Can we at least admit that the VA health care exists to provide federal jobs with benefits and NOT to provide Veteran Health Care to Vets? Facts are starburn my friend!..

[PBzeer]

The strongest unions at this point in time are government employee ones.

[serenity4u2]

Exactly PB... Why do you think janitors and security personnel at the Seattle VA hospital get better health care then the Vets at the Tax payer expense? They are ALL federal employee unions... Who has the money to lobby congrees? The Unions... My problem is that they are federal and in my spouses case State unions using TAX payer dollars for a service to us Tax payers... I have no problem with those in welding unions on the Alaska Pipeline... Thats an expense at the private sector...

[wind_magic]

As part of all of these financial bailouts, bridge to nowhere, etc, you'd think that Congress could at least kick in another 48 billion $us to buy everyone in the country a year's supply of alcohol. Americans are going to need it.

[serenity4u2]

Wind- great humor... yeah buy me my drinks lol... Hey, I have enough to get you and your wife drunk.. Come kick it with us...

There is no bridge to no where- lol--- you can not fid it- its no where- lol... ok I will get you drunk.. Peace my friend..

[sailaway21]

McCain gets hammered for telling auto workers that their jobs aren't coming back. No one considers the fact that he might be right and that there's not a damn thing we can do about it regardless of whom we elect.

It's not just manufacturing in the auto industry, either. Manufacturing jobs, the ones where you qualify for without a high school diploma, are either in the past or soon to be there. We have computerized machines to manufacture things now...we don't need people to do so.

[serenity4u2]

No problem Sailaway... Lets bail out the US auto industry... I have owned a honda civic CRX HF 1986 and stil drive the car... It was bought at lathrop Honda in New London CT. in 1985- it still runs with very little upgrades.

BTW Honda, Mazda and may other japanese makers build thier cars in USA Mazda since 1984 Employing AMERICANS... I lived in CA and know ALL about NAFTA... Rather buy a american made jap car then a mexican american car..

Who actually employs AMERICANS? we know the answer...

Last time I was in MI- been a while- but there is a town that looks like Suadi- police shut down streets for Muslim holidays- most local GMC workers are Muslim on a work visa... Is that supporting AMERICAN? Not!

Why is GMC employing Musslims -(they like jihad- naaaaaaa) they like dollars and work visa's with out union payouts... CAN WE SAY UNION?

I like buying auto's made in the USA (THAT MEANS JAPANESE CARS) who employ AMERICANS and forgo the Union bene's... Do not see the Jap car industry begging for Federal handouts? Do ya? NOPE....