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The revised bailout bill also includes a "Mental Health Parity" provision, which would require health insurance companies to cover mental illness at parity with physical illness.

Double post from market thread, but worth it for them's that don't go there.

What they heck is this? They are pressed for time and acting in great urgency in the crisis crap and - Adding this to the the bailout insures a) skyrocketing insurance premiums for everyone, and b) a no vote

Unless of course they are suckering in a few votes that would normally have voted no, but can't because they are in the pocket of the industry.
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Government intervention at it's finest.
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You may not like where this comes from, or who wrote it, but it's well worth reading ..... no matter what you're political bent.

Right Wing Nut House » FAITH OF OUR FATHERS
From the comments to the above article:
Lord Tytler said it best when speaking of the fall of the Athenian Republic: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.”


Unfortunately history has a nasty habit of repeating it's self. Hopefully it will be many generations before this bit of history repeats, but it's a reminder that we all need to be vigilant. Tax/spend doesn't work, and borrow/spend is worse. It all has to stop, and it all begins in the capitol building not the white house.

I think we all need to subscribe to the Ted Nugent method of "keeping them honest". Call your congressional representative, and say "I noticed that I got a tax bill, what did you spend my money on and why?". Make them account for all of it, all the time, until they quit spending so much of our money.
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Unfortunately, the comment you posted is dead on the mark John.
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Outside of Paulson's friends on Wall St, it's really Obama and the MSM that are the ones getting "bailed out". Thanks to McCain's lack of leadership for a market based solution, we instead see Obama reap all the benefits of this ill-concieved piece of excretment, while the MSM averts their self-implosion over Sarah Palin.

If the Republicans think Clinton helped them out, it's nothing compared to what Bush has done for the Democrats. I wonder if the Dems will still hate Bush on Nov 5th?
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Can't we just shoot them all—All being professional politicians and lobbyists—and start fresh...
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Too bad it's not that easy Dawg. We, as voters, share the blame as well. We put them in power, and let them stay in power. It's not enough to just "throw the bums out", if all you do is put new bums back in.

The more things Washington has a hand in, the more things there are that will get screwed up. Because their priorities are not those for the PEOPLE that elected them, but for THEMSELVES.
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Sad, but very true... but you'd think if we shot the entire lot...the next lot wouldn't be quite so quick to line their pockets...
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Too bad it's not that easy Dawg. We, as voters, share the blame as well. We put them in power, and let them stay in power. It's not enough to just "throw the bums out", if all you do is put new bums back in.

The more things Washington has a hand in, the more things there are that will get screwed up. Because their priorities are not those for the PEOPLE that elected them, but for THEMSELVES.
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Why should we get off scott free? Do overs don't come without a price.
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Ok so I just don't get it re the Alternative Energy is a load of bollocks debate either.

Great big buckets of money can get thrown at the Oil Industry to toddle off looking for the black gooey stuff, Nukes are good good good so yeah lets give give them such dosh as well but wind and solar ? P**s of you bucking hippy, what would you know.

I know what you are saying Wind_Magic and you are probably correct but lets face it, if for no other reason than cost we did have to at least begin to wean ourselves off oil and it is happening but there is much more to do.

Anyway, I no longer care. Lets face it. In the next year or so Nuclear is going to get the big nod. No risk. Environmental safeguards ? Pshaw, we are in a recession we cain't afford no environmental safeguards.

What's more guess whose country has the world's largest known reserves of Uranium ? Think Waltzing Matilda babies, think funnel web spiders, think football meat pies kangaroos and Holden cars. Oh yes, we do. Us ! The former convicts one and all and I'm gonna get me out there and buy up some shares.

(Oh and to save anyone the trouble, yes I know that Nuclear Reactors in their latest incarnations are pretty damn safe. Sure it may not be a terribly sensible idea to build 'em on fault lines but that's just quibbling. No one however has yet come up with an answer to how we get rid if the waste. When they do let me know, till then bugger it, I'll make some moolah out of Uranium shares and let the rest of you worry about the future.)

Hypocritical ?

Darn tootin'.
But that's what I mean TDW, you mention nuclear, oil, etc, getting buckets of money. Oil and gas require pipelines, refineries, ports for tankers, infrastructure, and nuclear requires so much political maneuvering it's unbelievable, fuel storage, waste storage, etc. That's my whole point - we all want alternative energy, but what exactly is the government going to do to help ? If I just gave Senator TDW 100b$us "for alternative energy", what is Senator TDW going to do with it that we aren't already doing ? The only thing I can even think of is building more infrastructure for natural gas, hydrogen, and parking spaces with electrical outlets for rechargeable vehicles. Other than that ... (?). What exactly can the government do to wind energy or solar for example, buy more wind generators and ... what (?) The utility companies are already building fields full of wind generators and solar where it is feasible to do so, what's the government going to do that they aren't already doing, build fields of wind generators where it ISN'T feasible to do so ?? Researchers and manufacturers have been trying for decades to make panels cheaper, more efficient, etc, what is the government going to do to help ?? It's not just a matter of throwing money at something, that's my point, you actually have to have a PLAN. You have to have something to throw money AT.
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