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The average citizen is like a sheep when it comes to leading or following. The reason the general public poll responses are as Rick says (85%) thinks the country is moving in the wrong direction is because thats what they hear almost every source of news. Most of their favored Hollywood stars, Musicians, and idles who are like sheep them selves tells them so. I have watched polls and stats from the media for years and by all indications they are consistently WRONG. Why, take an educated guess.
I have spent the last 6 weeks in 6 different states. I have been in front of between 15 to 125 people on each trip (business) for 2 days. The talk I hear does not represent the polls or statistics. They are quite the opposite. Yes there are issues and problems of concern,(as always) but the general consciences is it's nothing that they have not had to deal with in the past, make the necessary adjustments and move on. As for the election polls, the majority by far (80%) favor McCain over Obama.
Now these are working and business people so maybe that makes a difference. If I go downtown in my city and poll the average individual walking on the street I would not be surprised of the results. They would lean to the left. You make the assumption as to why.
A simple question: How many here have actually been Polled as to their thought about the economy or their vote. I have not and neither has anyone I have come in contact with. That's a few thousand people a year. And yes I have asked the question each time I'm in front of a group.
Look at the poll in this forum compared to the media.
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Cam- thanks for the link, great article. I've been saying the same thing, much less eloquently, for a long time. The USA has serious enemies that will stop at nothing to bring down our way of life in any way they can. This election isn't about health care or even the economy, although that's all you hear, it's about protecting our country and it's interests now and in the future. Who is the best qualified, experienced candidate to do this, John McCain or Barack Obama? I would even put the much ridiculed, and inexperienced, Gov. Palin above Sen. Obama. At least she knows who the enemies are and wouldn't be afraid to order action without worrying about whether it's politically correct. Are people not paying attention when they read that both Iran and Hamas want Obama to win. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.
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Originally Posted by SailKing1
The average citizen is like a sheep when it comes to leading or following. The reason the general public poll responses are as Rick says (85%) thinks the country is moving in the wrong direction is because thats what they hear almost every source of news. Most of their favored Hollywood stars, Musicians, and idles who are like sheep them selves tells them so. I have watched polls and stats from the media for years and by all indications they are consistently WRONG. Why, take an educated guess.
I have spent the last 6 weeks in 6 different states. I have been in front of between 15 to 125 people on each trip (business) for 2 days. The talk I hear does not represent the polls or statistics. They are quite the opposite. Yes there are issues and problems of concern,(as always) but the general consciences is it's nothing that they have not had to deal with in the past, make the necessary adjustments and move on. As for the election polls, the majority by far (80%) favor McCain over Obama.
Now these are working and business people so maybe that makes a difference. If I go downtown in my city and poll the average individual walking on the street I would not be surprised of the results. They would lean to the left. You make the assumption as to why.
A simple question: How many here have actually been Polled as to their thought about the economy or their vote. I have not and neither has anyone I have come in contact with. That's a few thousand people a year. And yes I have asked the question each time I'm in front of a group.
Look at the poll in this forum compared to the media.
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I trust media polls just about as much as I trust media stories. I know that I would lie to a pollster in the unlikely event that one should ever seek my opinion. I bet a lot of others would too.
I am getting the biggest kick at watching so many people seating BO in the White House weeks before the election. How is it that some people can forget the past so easily.
This race is anyone's to win, or lose.
But maybe that's just the kool-aid talking.
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Charlie K is my favorite neo-con, although I'm always irritated when I'm forced to realize that he is indeed not a conservative but a neo-conservative. That being said, he writes with great clarity and focus. And the above column, posted by Cam, is an excellent example of keeping one's eye on the game versus the cheerleaders on the sidelines.
The richest nation on earth with the world's largest economy is concerned that unemployment might reach commonly accepted levels seen in Europe and that people might get thrown out of their houses to live in apartments that are superior to what most of the developed world lives within. Oh, and they have this minor issue that an entire religious movement, with a global reach, wants them dead coupled with the existence of a few less than stable world leaders who want to have the bomb just to see how they might be able to remake the world. Gee, which issue sounds more serious to you?
Does the fact that most of the rest of the world look upon foreign policy with a "let the US handle it" view affect your thinking in any way? We can debate how we got to that point until the cows come home without addressing what the US should actually do in an unsafe world. I'm inclined to think that isolationism is no more the answer today than it was in the 1930's.
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More from Mark Steyn, in the pages of NRO, on the rigors of campaign finance.
The charge of the fake brigade [Mark Steyn]
As readers may recall, a couple of days ago it became clear that the Obama website had intentionally disabled all the basic credit-card-processing security checks and thereby enabled multiple contributions from donors with fake names. The excuse offered in the New York Times story was that, ah, yes, the Obama gang may appear to accept contributions from "Mr Fake Donor" of "23 Fraudulent Lane", but all those phony baloney contributions are picked up by their rigorous offline checking procedures. As many Obama supporters wrote to point out, simply because you get a message saying "Thank you for contributing to the Obama landslide, Mr S Hussein of 47 Spider-Hole Gardens (basement flat), Tikrit!" is no reason to believe any real money is actually leaving real accounts.
The gentleman who started the ball rolling made four donations under the names "John Galt", "Saddam Hussein", "Osama bin Laden", and "William Ayers", all using the same credit card number. He wrote this morning to say that all four donations have been charged to his card and the money has now left his account. Again, it's worth pointing out: in order to enable the most basic card fraud of all - multiple names using a single credit card number - the Obama campaign had to manually disable all the default security checks provided by their merchant processor.
The reader adds:
Last night on Sheppard Smith’s 3pm-ET show this issue was brought up briefly and they cited the Obama campaign falsely claiming that this sort of thing happens at the McCain site and that they catch these errors later in the processing. Well, it took three days to process my donations and they all skated through their rigorous screening.
And it doesn't happen at the McCain site. This reader tried donating under "John Galt" and "Saddam Hussein" to the McCain campaign and they rejected it.
This should be Journalism 101. I'm not the guy who made Obama's fundraising a story. The media did that when they ran hundreds of puff pieces marveling at his record-breaking cash haul, and in particular the gazillions of small donors. Isn't the fact that his website has chosen to disable basic fraud protection procedures at the very least a legitimate addendum to those stories?
Oh, sorry, I was waiting for the chirping crickets. But evidently Mr C Cricket is over at Obama Central charging 20 bucks to his MasterChirp
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Some woman informed the NYT before she did the same type of thing. I'll have to see if I can find the link. The upshot was, they weren't interested.
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I'll admit that was a flaw since it wasn't mine as to you being right, about what. I've exposed nearly all your fallacies already. Got another?'
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Let's watch one of yours go down in flames.....
Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship
7 hours ago
Associated Press
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's qualifications to be president.
The Associated Press: Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship
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Another fallacy (or is that fantasy) gone ? Gee... I wonder what this means....
Election 2008 National Head-to-Head Polls
General Election: McCain vs. Obama
RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 National Head-to-Head Polls
Time for a reality check. Can you say President Obama?
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Now. As for the Senate....
Polling Data
Alaska
| Poll | Date | Sample | Begich (D) | Stevens (R) | Spread |
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| RCP Average | 10/06 - 10/19 | -- | 47.3 | 46.7 | Begich +0.6 |
Everyone is waiting for the jury to come back. If Stevens is guilty, this one goes Dem.
Colorado
| Poll | Date | Sample | Udall (D) | Schaffer (R) | Spread |
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| RCP Average | 09/29 - 10/16 | -- | 48.3 | 39.0 | Udall +9.3 |
Minnesota
| Poll | Date | Sample | Franken (D) | Coleman (R) | Barkley (I) | Spread |
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| RCP Average | 10/15 - 10/22 | -- | 40.0 | 37.4 | 17.2 | Franken +2.6
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This one was tie 3 days ago. Trend is to the Dems.
New Hanpshire
| Poll | Date | Sample | Shaheen (D) | Sununu (R) | Spread |
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| RCP Average | 10/04 - 10/23 | -- | 50.3 | 42.8 | Shaheen +7.5 |
Say bye bye to Sununu
New Mexico
| Poll | Date | Sample | Udall (D) | Pearce (R) | Spread |
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| RCP Average | 09/29 - 10/13 | -- | 55.3 | 37.7 | Udall +17.6 |
North Carolina
| Poll | Date | Sample | Hagan (D) | Dole (R) | Spread |
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| RCP Average | 10/14 - 10/21 | -- | 46.3 | 44.3 | Hagan +2.0 |
This is another one where the Dems just broke to the front.
Oregon
| Poll | Date | Sample | Merkley (D) | Smith (R) | Und. | Spread |
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| RCP Average | 10/10 - 10/20 | -- | 44.0 | 41.0 | 11.7 | Merkley +3.0 |
Virginia
| Poll | Date | Sample | Warner (D) | Gilmore (R) | Spread |
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| RCP Average | 10/16 - 10/21 | -- | 59.7 | 35.0 | Warner +24.7 |
These all represent a Senate seat pickup for Dems. Where the polling data is more than a week old, the republicans pulled funding from their candidate and no poll is necessary. I think this has only happened in the one Senate race and is more common in House races.
If you've ever run for office, you know what a trend line is. These are all trending Dem and it's accelerating.
It would appear the country will be solidly in Democratic control for the first time since the 1996 election.
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Did you read the Memorandum & Order ??
Very interesting what action(s) the defendant (BHO & DNC) is asking to be blocked, you should read it, their request only raises the suspicion level even higher
But, the fact is that the dimissal was granted based on
1) Under Federal Rule of Civil procedure the current court Lacks Jurisdiction
2) In a addendum Berg added a claim that was not shared with the defendant so that lead to a technicality issue Failure to Share a Claim
Needless to say Berg has already filed appeal with the US Superme Court
Sorry TC, the fat lady ain't singing yet
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