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PBzeer · #**4981** (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

An interesting article from a self-professed "journalist in hiding":
Media's Presidential Bias and Decline

SailorMitch · #**4982** (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by SailKing1

The average citizen is like a sheep when it comes to leading or following. The reason the general public poll responses are as Rick says (85%) thinks the country is moving in the wrong direction is because thats what they hear almost every source of news. Most of their favored Hollywood stars, Musicians, and idles who are like sheep them selves tells them so. I have watched polls and stats from the media for years and by all indications they are consistently WRONG. Why, take an educated guess.

I have spent the last 6 weeks in 6 different states. I have been in front of between 15 to 125 people on each trip (business) for 2 days. The talk I hear does not represent the polls or statistics. They are quite the opposite. Yes there are issues and problems of concern,(as always) but the general consciences is it's nothing that they have not had to deal with in the past, make the necessary adjustments and move on. As for the election polls, the majority by far (80%) favor McCain over Obama.

Now these are working and business people so maybe that makes a difference. If I go downtown in my city and poll the average individual walking on the street I would not be surprised of the results. They would lean to the left. You make the assumption as to why.

A simple question: How many here have actually been Polled as to their thought about the economy or their vote. I have not and neither has anyone I have come in contact with. That's a few thousand people a year. And yes I have asked the question each time I'm in front of a group.

Look at the poll in this forum compared to the media.

My father gets calls from pollsters, probably because he is 82, lives alone and loves the attention. And as for other polls and what they show, the ones on Sailnet are an anomaly. every time AOL asks for an opinion, Obama is way ahead. yesterday AOL had a news item about Palin (how she is acting like a diva in the campaign, going off message, and EVEN TALKING TO REPORTERS in an unscripted setting!!!!!!!!!!!!! The usual AOL poll questions about positive/negative imptression of her, was she a mistake, etc. were all heavily against her. Then again, the bush campaign staff is now against her.

SailorMitch · #**4983** (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by sailaway21

Bill Clinton "smoked" Bob Dole? Clinton never got even 50% of the popular vote in either of his elections. And, don't look now, but the polls are closing. You might find the first few paragraphs of Mark Steyn's article just posted of interest regarding polls and opinions.

the 1992 election results:
Clinton 43%, 370 electoral votes
GHWBush 38 %, 168 electoral votes
Ross Perot 19%, 0 electoral votes

It sure was a whippin' in the electoral college.

And as expected, the polls are closing now, but McCain has to fight yet another war inside his campaign now that Palin thinks she is the annoited one. Too bad his Hail Mary pass in selecting her has blown up in his face. Gee, who could have predicted that one??? she has not brought any moderates to his side, and women are turning against her. she has solidified his conservative base, which was a bad enough sign for him to begin with that that was even necessary. He wanted her to bring in moderates and women-- ain't happening.

PBzeer · #**4984** (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

Palin was never brought in to attract moderates, or women. That's a meme of the MSM. Palin was brought in to energize the base, something McCain couldn't do. It was McCain that was suppose to attract the moderate/undecideds, not Palin.

Election 101 - a candidate does not win the eclection without his base. Just doesn't happen. McCain needed someone to excite the base and get them active. Palin was the best choice for that, as there was no other Conservative who could have to the extent she has. To somehow expect that she would attract moderates, while exciting the base is illogical at best, and simply stupid at worst.

Joel73 · #**4985** (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by PBzeer

Unfortunately for Obama, elections are won by votes, not media acclimation.

yes, very unfortunate that he is ahead with the electoral collage.

PBzeer · #**4986** (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

Unlike Joe Biden, I know how to count to 3, as in 3 words, New England Patriots. At this point, Obama has the same number of Electoral College votes as McCain does. Zero.

sailaway21 · #**4987** (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

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Originally Posted by PBzeer

Palin was never brought in to attract moderates, or women. That's a meme of the MSM. Palin was brought in to energize the base, something McCain couldn't do. It was McCain that was suppose to attract the moderate/undecideds, not Palin.

Election 101 - a candidate does not win the eclection without his base. Just doesn't happen. McCain needed someone to excite the base and get them active. Palin was the best choice for that, as there was no other Conservative who could have to the extent she has. To somehow expect that she would attract moderates, while exciting the base is illogical at best, and simply stupid at worst.

Couldn't have said it better myself, John.

To put the media perceived wisdom in perspective; Palin enjoys an approval rating in Alaska in the eightieth percentile while the national opinion of her as governor of Alaska is that she is a poor governor. You can decide who you trust.

sailaway21 · #**4988** (**permalink**) 10-26-2008

Mitch,
The point being that Clinton never received a majority of the popular vote so it then being difficult to acclaim him either popular, blessed with a mandate, nor a landslide victor. Of course, the electoral college is all that matters for victory, as it should be.

The last president to receive a majority of the popular vote was GHW Bush. He inherited the Reagan mantle and then proceeded to squander the mandate.

The popular vote is important only in what it reveals about the electorate as a whole. The country remains a center-right country as a whole. To his credit, Bill Clinton realized this and, after a few early gaffes, governed accordingly. It's unlikely that Obama will receive a greater than 50% of the popular vote. I'd reference his returns in the Democrat primary as evidence.

PBzeer · #**4989** (**permalink**) 10-27-2008

Please, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong here. Wasn't Joe Biden picked as the VP for his foreign policy expertise? Yet, when he guarantees an international crisis designed to test Obama within 6 months of his taking office, we are supposed to accept that as merely "rhetorical flourishes"?

One has to wonder why the cost of Palin's clothes was more important than a major foreign policy pronouncement from the Democrat's self-proclaimed foreign policy expert.

Or more important than the mounting evidence of fraud in online donations to Obama, made possible, only by disabling the software that prevents it.

Oh well, I guess how much the RNC may spend on clothes is far more piviotal to the election than anything else.

soulesailor · #**4990** (**permalink**) 10-27-2008

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Originally Posted by PBzeer

Oh well, I guess how much the RNC may spend on clothes is far more piviotal to the election than anything else.

funny how McCain keeps saying 'we need to get to the truth about his relationship with Ayers' but spends 150 big ones on clothes for Sarah. Wouldn't that money have been better spent trying to dig up some dirt that sticks? Maybe it just won't stick so he just keeps mentioning it anyway???