Democrats versus Republicans

[sailaway21]

sck5,
Read this link to Salon and i think you'll have an appreciation, as well as a confirmation, of the undecided voter's status. Undecideds are of two varieties; decided's whom are lying and people whom are not going to vote anyway.

The bad news for Obama about those undecided's : Those "undecideds" are for McCain | Salon

[PBzeer]

windy - here are their tax "cuts", as defined by a liberal:

Originally Posted by Neil Boortz

So .. for those who don't pay taxes, here are some of the "tax cut" checks you’ll be getting from The Chosen One. I'm taking some literary license here and replacing the words "tax credit" with the word "payment." That literary flourish brings us much closer to the truth. Here are your goodies; come and get ‘em:

• A $500 "make work pay" payment.
• A $4,000 payment for college tuition.
• A payment equal to 10% of your mortgage interest
• A payment equal to 50% of the amount of money you put into a savings account up to $1000.
• A payment equal to 50% of the amount of money you pay for child care up to $6000.
• A payment of up to $7,000 if you purchase a "clean car." By that Obama means an environmentally correct car.
• Plus ... an expansion of the earned income tax credit .. increased payments on top of your earnings if the government doesn't feel you are earning enough.

There you go ... Obama's "tax cuts." Sounds pretty good, doesn't it. Well, I guess it is, if you're not too successful it IS pretty good. Remember, the harder you work the lower these payments get. Barack Obama's tax plans are all about punishing success and rewarding failure. He understands that if it weren't for failures, Democrats would be scrounging in the alleys for votes.

For further insight, here's the article in it's entirety:
Neal Boortz : Decoding Barack - Townhall.com

[PBzeer]

The over-riding question, as I have posed before though is .... Why does Obama deny, disavow or outright lie about so much of his past? It's a matter of public record for pity sakes. The media doesn't have to dumpster dive like they did in Alaska. They don't have to illegally use government databases like they did in Ohio, to go after Joe the Plumber. It's all out there, easily found on the internet, for anyone who wants to make the effort.

Yet, Obama continues to get a pass. We get 5 days of coverage on clothes, and we can't get a half hour on ISSUES. We know about Todd Palin's 22 year old DUI, but we can't see Obama's transcript from Columbia University.

McCain posts EVERY donor, even those below $200 (which isn't required), but with mounting evidence of fraudulent donations, we learn nothing about Obama's. We don't even get spin for why the fraud avoidance software is disabled (something that has to be done manually). It's just ignored.

Not a day goes by without some new story about the mean spirited McCain or Palin, while similar, more smarmy stuff comes from Obama and Biden with nary a word said.

[PBzeer]

souljour - do you feel you aren't capable of following the news and making your own decisions? Palin is ridiculed for having a degree in journalism, yet we are suppose to bow down to the wisdom of the media elites with theirs?

Think for yourself man. You have internet access. Go out and find the info and make up your own mind.

[scottyt]

wind majic, the way it works is you have to make X amount before you pay any taxes. lets say its 6 k ( too lazy to look up the real numbers ) so you make 6 k then you start paying, then when tax time comes lets say you made 15 k for the year, the 6 k drops off. so know you taxable income is 9 k, then you get the standard deduction which iir is 4500, so know your taxable income is 4500 bucks. so you tax on 4500 bucks is 450, so you owe 450, but wait you get 450 or so in earned income credit so now no tax able income or 0%. now we take it a step further ok a few steps

now we take a couple who makes 45k with 2 kids, so they get extra deductions, first they get 5 deductions so before the taxible income kicks in they have already got it down to 20 k or so, then we add interest on the home loan they should have not gotten and the taxible income is down to 10 k or so, so they pay 1 grand as well. or about 2% tax

then we take couple who both work, they make 120 k a year, sounds good. but wait they have no kids, and have a 300 k house that is the same size as the couple above just a more expensive neighborhood. the deductions for each takes them down to 110 k, then the mortgage drops em down to 60 k taxable, but they put 10 k a year into ira's. they now have a taxable income 50 k, but the first 10 k are not taxible 9 they dont get the 6k each because of the marriage penalty. so their taxable income is 40k, but now they are in the 15 % range so they owe 6 grand. they make slightly more than twice as much but pay 6 times as much, even with kids they would be paying 5 time as much. if they did not put the 10 k into the ira they owe another 1500 or now 7 times as much

how is that fair

[jrd22]

CP- thanks, this made my day. Still laughing.

"Dear sweet God of your choosing, I hope thats sarcasm."

Only problem is that I'm pretty sure he was trying to be serious.

John

[erps]

NPR did a story today on the reluctance of Americans to have both branches of guvmint controlled by the same party and that it may be a factor. We'll see.

[erps]

Aren't democrats supposed to be the party looking out for the little guy? Nancy Pelosi apparently fine with that unless it affects her bottom line. Article on how she exempted StarKist Tuna from the minimum wage. Geez!

Washington Times - GOP hits Pelosi's 'hypocrisy' on wage bill

from the article:

"I am shocked," said Rep. Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican and his party's chief deputy whip, noting that Mrs. Pelosi campaigned heavily on promises of honest government. "Now we find out that she is exempting hometown companies from minimum wage. This is exactly the hypocrisy and double talk that we have come to expect from the Democrats."

[PBzeer]

Having an alphabet of initials after one's name does not make one more intelligent about making the choices basic to life. It doesn't bestow wisdom, and often times, not even expertise in the field for which the initials are granted. All a degree, at any level, indicates is that one has passed the prerequisite examinations to demonstrate an arbitrary proficiency in the subject matter.

The use one makes of their intellect is far more telling than any award. Affirmation is granted by the test of time, not expediency. Every person on the planet, no matter how rich, how famous, how decorated, or lionized, puts their shoes on, one at a time.

There is no lack of people on this planet who in one way or another, are smarter than I am. Just as there is no lack of those who are less. What has always been the American Ideal though, is that my opinion counts as much as anyone elses. When I let that opinion though, be simply a mirror of someone else's thoughts and opinions, without arriving at that point through my own investigation and cognentive thinking, I have made my opinion valueless.

It's the thing that liberals just don't get about Limbaugh and why he is so popular. It isn't that he tells others what to think, but that he validates what they already think. He expresses thoughts and opinions that they don't hear from the MSM. He gives what they feel, a national voice, that the liberal media do not. Without those millions of listeners that feel they finally have someone who understands what they feel, what they see, Limbaugh would be just another talented radio guy with a niche audience.

There has been no lack of candidates who have extolled running the country like a successful business. Or a benevolent and caring aunt or uncle. Or those to whom we ascribe high intellect or analytical precision, or Olympian idealism. What we have a dearth of, a total lack of, is one's whose forte is plain old common sense and a basic grasp of life as the reality of living.

Do you really think that a Ted Kennedy or Ted Stevens would be anyone of importance, were they not US Senators for Life? That by merely winning election after election, they have somehow been granted a wisdom not available to anyone else?

To devalue one's own opinions, by subverting them to the "wisdom" of those who consider themselves "elite", by whatever factor, is the ultimate surrender of intellect, and one that inevitably leads to moral and ethical bankruptcy.

[erps]

What has always been the American Ideal though, is that my opinion counts as much as anyone elses.

Wonder what the response to such a notion is from the official Obama election handbook? Is it that conservatives "are out of touch" as expressed earlier by one of his supporters?

On the bright side, gun sales are up nationwide this year with the prospects of a gun banner as president. That's more citizens taking responsibility for their own safety.

Gun Sales Thriving In Uncertain Times - washingtonpost.com