Democrats versus Republicans

[PBzeer]

Makes perfect sense to me. Give Detroit money to build cars that no one wants, and to hear them tell it, couldn't buy if they wanted them, and that's going to save their a$$. Let the era of Obamanomics begin!

[sck5]

Sure, governing is harder than being in the opposition. But it would be very very hard to make more of a hash of things than Bush and his Republican allies have. You guys should bear in mind that the economy is trashed and most of the world hates us and the Repubs are still running the country. As they have for 20 of the past 28 years.

[PBzeer]

Yep sck, most of the world hates us, that's why more people try to emigrate here than anywhere else.

[sck5]

Another conservative fantasy - You guys think everyone wishes they were American. Actually, most people love their own country and are proud of it, just like all of us. Dont mistake economic migration for something other than what it is.

[PBzeer]

I'm not sure sck why it is you can't deal with what I say, instead of what you want it to say.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by sck5

Another conservative fantasy - You guys think everyone wishes they were American. Actually, most people love their own country and are proud of it, just like all of us. Dont mistake economic migration for something other than what it is.

You really don't understand much about the American experiment, or democracy in general, do you? Without economic freedom there are no other freedoms. In fact, when you read an historical document you can pretty much assume that they're talking about economic freedom when they use the word freedom. Most other areas where freedom is associated with are covered by the word liberty.

No, everyone doesn't wish they were American. We should be thoroughly glad for that fact as it indicates that they enjoy a life of freedom and liberty in their own country. Many, if not most, immigrants to this country continue to hold deep affection for their native land. But when one looks at immigrants one finds that they come here specifically to achieve something they could not within their own land. Only someone so blessed with economic security that they need never worry in a serious way would discount such motivations towards emigres.

In my travels, I've met many people who wondered why they could not enjoy the life we have in America within their own country. This was particularly evident within the Soviet Union. By the Soviet citizen's lights he should have been living as well as an American. After all, his government told him that the USSR was America's equal or superior. Ironic that the only people who believed such were Americans! At some point in time, people flee their native soil to either escape persecution or to achieve what they cannot at home. this does not mean that they do not retain affection for their native land and people but it does mean that they reject their old government and/or an economic system that denies them opportunity.

Another irony is that so many Americans such as yourself do not see the vast and desirable opportunity that America offers. I guess you need to be from somewhere like Cuba, China, or Eastern Europe to see that clearly. After all, it's tough to love a country that keeps you either enslaved or perpetual poverty, with no hope out of either. Most people arriving as immigrants, legal or otherwise, arrive with hope as their only possession. It's sad that this must be explained to Americans.

[sck5]

sway

typical. paint the liberal as a commie. you need some new tricks. that one dates back to Joe McCarthy. You are better than that.

[souljour2000]

Yeah..this place is awful cozy for alot of you conservatives...it's usually like a meeting of the young republicans club around here...and your just as opinionated..but not in a very congenial way true to the tradition of debate

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by sck5

sway

typical. paint the liberal as a commie. you need some new tricks. that one dates back to Joe McCarthy. You are better than that.

I did not paint you as a commie, just uninformed.

And Tailgunner Joe didn't paint liberals as commies either. He painted commies as commies. Of course, their liberal friends have never forgiven him for that.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by souljour2000

Yeah..this place is awful cozy for alot of you conservatives...it's usually like a meeting of the young republicans club around here...and your just as opinionated..but not in a very congenial way true to the tradition of debate

Well perhaps you could summon up a dissertation that would make us uncomfortable with our beliefs. We're open to a battle of ideas, providing that the opposition is armed. (g)