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I'm not a democrat..I am a progressive though but that does not make me a liberal whatever anyone cares to think...all i know is the republicans screwed up the country alot and their platform since Reagan has been Liiliputian, homophobic, dangerously unilateral and reckless with the Constitution and appointments to he Justice Dept. They need some new blood and Palin isn't going to cut it...maybe this Bobby Jindal guy could sgive a much-needed facelift to this confused political party...
Perhaps you could explain to us the significant differences in political philosophy between Bobby Jindahl and Sarah Palin.
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Sarah Palin is clueless about large areas of knowledge that most folks take for granted.



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Could give some examples of and the source of these accusations of large areas of cluelessness
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Why is the moderator so biased against posters who don't agree with him..why is this place such a clique of *****...bye bye sailnet

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Gee, you ask the guy a simple question and he throws a fit, picks up his ball, and goes home. Progressive or liberal, however he prefers to describe himself, apparently the shock that anyone would actually expect him to defend his ridiculous opinion was too much for him. For him, politics is apparently like gravity; you don't really have to think about it for it to work for you.

I confess to being disappointed though; there's nothing quite like witnessing a spirited defense of the indefensible. (g)
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Why is the moderator so biased against posters who don't agree with him..why is this place such a clique of assholes?...bye bye sailnet
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Evidently, cam. When ever liberals, (oh, that's right, they're progressives now) are unable to defend their position with reason, they resort to the line of primary defense, victimhood.

Since the liberal/progressive derives their foundation from basically an emotive, rather than reasoned process, it is hard for them to escape the limitations of expounding feelings over facts.

For instance, while the Marxist dictum of "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" (spread the wealth) sounds quite good and very fair, it's untenable in the realm of human nature. It presupposes an egalitarianism that only exists in spirit, not in reality. The primal urge of enjoying life is based on a standard that is unique to each individual and the effort they will put forth to achieve THEIR standard, will also be unique to each individual.

In the dogma of the liberal/progressive, the group is supreme and requires the subordination of the individual. While conservatives believe the individual has primacy. And this, is the basic difference between the two philosophies. When there is no reward, of a tangible nature, for individual achievement, there is no motivation to put forth an effort beyond that of the least effort of one's peers. (Who hasn't been in a situation where you work your butt off, while other's slide, letting you take up the slack, yet, you both take home the same paycheck? Is that how you want to live?)

Sans individual initiative, progress becomes a matter of happenstance, rather than of stretching beyond one's limits. Nor, is there any sense of leadership to exhort or inspire pushing past the existing boundaries. In point of fact, there is no concept of leadership, for all are equal.

It is only by the complete and total surrender, freely and willingly, of all individuality, that the liberal/progressive world can be realized. A world not of equal masters, but of equal slaves to each other.
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PB, once agian you have confused "liberal". You once told us that you studied latin so you shouild be aware that liberal cannot mean slave. Freedom of the individual is liberal. Free market is liberal. Free thinking is liberal. Socialism in any form is not liberal. Your definition more closely defines conservatism. You guys who call yourself conservatives cannot usurp liberal ideas and philosophies and call them your own without becoming liberals.
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