What you forget sck, is Obama is a politician first. His whole record (what there is of it) is loony left. But, with a bunch of loonies in Congress to push for all the stuff he wants, he can stand back and let them take the heat. He's already looking at 2012, and he knows he can't hide as Pres, he has to make actual choices that can be used against him.
I don't think you'll find many conservatives that are at all doubtful of the One's political abilities. The concern, is what he does with them.
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Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
I'm STILL perplexed. Where did this notion come from?
These are but 2 statemets you have made, and I'm just wondering... where the heck do these come from?
Riddle me this batman... take a minute, form a thught, plink it down on the keyboard...
and ANSWER THE QUESTION...
WHERE ON GODS GREEN EARTH DID HE GAIN ALL OF THIS TALENT? HOW DID HE GET TO BE "COMPETENT" eh?
NAD HOW DOES HE "KNOW" what he's doing?
Or is just warm fuzzies from his furrowed serious brow, his eloquent speaking manner, or...
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?
(please note, this is not "personal".. you know, I like your passion about your beliefs. just when a person tells me the sky is puce, i wanna look where he's comin' from, knowhutimeanvern?)
"...and competent enough to do it well...."
"around the idea of having a president who actually KNOWS what he is doing and is not a captive of his cabinet secretaries"
And where pray tell did he get the idea that he "KNOWS" what to do?
All of the businesses he ran... (darn it, that was... none)
His vast experience as a community organizer?
(that'll help him sort out the paki/afghani mess, ya think?)
Maybe it was as a University Constitutional Law Professor...
(oops, never taught a class, he did a couple of lectures as a guest)
Perhaps his esteemed State Senate experience.
(where he yea/nay voted on less than 35% of the bills up of adoption)
Perchance it was his wealth of experience crafting bills in the US Senate... (no, that ain't it...)
I know...
Divine Intervention! (although if you were keeping track he had no idea what his pastor was saying for oh, 20 years)
So, this notion of "KNOWING" what to do came from where... his Father? Thats right the guy bailed on him
His Mother maybe? I dunno, seems like as good as any.
Well, he did have a payroll of 2500 and a 600 million cash temp job for a couple of years while he was running, that counts for something. One thing, single purpose, get him elected.
We got a lick and a promise, I don't fault him, lots of people bought the hype, now, As they say out west...
Stand and Deliver!
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If the dreamy eyed, furrowed brow crowd can actually deliver or if the promise is just to much to deliver on and ends in the abject failure of false starts and over-reaching.
Will policies change, sure, will it matter - not one iota for most of them
(sure stem cell research might kick up a notch, but wary investors who know that returns take a decade of research, and the policy can change again in 4 years won't throw the serious money on it that it needs).
I think most of the executive order changes that will be made will be minor on the surface ripples (changing which crony gets control of which pocket of money for instance); don't look for waves of change there.
Look for big changes to come from the Pelosi-Reid corner of the ring (do rings have corners?). I'm betting the next raise for government workers sucks because he's going to ask them to take a hit as a show of patriotism, he'll trim 1% off the raise over cost of living - a paltry savings, just PR like most of the politicians brew.
Of course doing that puts more young soldiers and sailors on welfare, but we won't talk about that.
Obama is going to have to show his true colors once the paper hits his desk and he has to put ink on the paper; President's don't get to vote "present". He's got a leg up on Congress in that he's a media darling so he has a better ability to get his word on the street; it's the back room dealing with the majority leaders that we won't get to hear.
Won't it rock the socks of the posers and posters when he asks for the Columbia Free Trade bill to be pasted into the next economic stimulus package/wealth redistribution allocation to his fans er, voters? Nah, it's not going to change, it's just a new face.
I'm not convinced that he can bring change other than the contents of my wallet type change.
am I one of the "dreamy eyed, furrowed brow crowd " or am I one of the "posers and posters'?
I just love the imagery. Chuck you are so poetic. But you had it right in the beginning. We dont know much yet and wont until January. But what we DO know is that his appointments so far are way better than, e.g. heckuva job Brownie or some of the other jokers Bush put in. If this is cronyism then it is definitely better quality cronyism
You know,
Jim Jones had a bunch of people think he was a pretty bright guy.
Bob Tilton cared for every one of our souls too, he could talk a good talk.
While I'm thinking of it, Jimmy Swaggart had 20,000 people in attendance every Sunday, and he had each persons best interests at heart.
Sck, I've asked and asked... How do you KNOW he KNOWS what he's doing? It certainly isn't on any demonstrable track record.
I've seen his appointments. Old Clinton crowd. I thought that this was all about change we could believe in.
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am I one of the "dreamy eyed, furrowed brow crowd " or am I one of the "posers and posters'?
I just love the imagery. Chuck you are so poetic. But you had it right in the beginning. We dont know much yet and wont until January. But what we DO know is that his appointments so far are way better than, e.g. heckuva job Brownie or some of the other jokers Bush put in. If this is cronyism then it is definitely better quality cronyism
Neither Sck.
Sorry to say it but for the most part you are just 'normal'.
If Obama "saves" the economy he'll be the first member of government to do so. All government is capable of doing, in strict economic terms, is screwing up the economy. Government does not create wealth. The economy and the free market do that. Government is a net consumer of wealth. Sorry, Obama nor the government are going to save the economy; the economy will save itself, the only question being, how much government impedes it.
I'll have to agree with CP in that sck has repeatedly missed his, and my, point. You cannot say that Obama is a competent president since he has never been president and, still, is not president.
As Camaraderie alluded, apparently Mr. Obama has a strange new respect for the current President. Apparently he must have read, or learned, something that caused him to not only reverse his Iraq policy but to keep Mr. Gates on as SecDef as well. The Clinton retreads show nothing if not lack of either imagination or inexperience. Holder is going to have trouble in the Senate confirmation hearings...you read it here first.
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The only thing that I've seen that Obama does know how to do is run for office, and get elected. He's gooood at a that.
Look, I don't fault the guy, but he ran on a campaign of smoke an mirrors, of warm smiles, and "change"... so far, NOTHING he's proposed or done, or hired has even whimpered "change".
I see where he's backed so far away from most of the "hot" buttons that people liked to be pressed for 'em, (tax rates on the rich, Iraq, Afgan, healthcare, that, if I didn't listen to some of his promises for change, I'd have thought we (shudder the thought) just elected a conservative. You can't tell me that in the less than a month from election night to today, things changed so much he had to chuck most of the promises he made.
More likely, he said what he had to, to get elected, actually found out what was really going on in the briefings, and had to...
wait for it....
"change" his outlook on things.
There was a TV show on recently where a guy contributed to a campaign because of the position of a candidate.
The guy sued for breach of implied contract because the politician went back on his word.
It was fiction, but, I wonder if Obamas counsel (yea, he's a criminal attorney) has prepared his briefs for THAT.
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We are not primarily on earth to see through one another, but to see one another through
Some people are like slinkies: not really good for anything... but you can't help laughing when you push them down the stairs
The only thing that I've seen that Obama does know how to do is run for office, and get elected. He's gooood at a that.
Look, I don't fault the guy, but he ran on a campaign of smoke an mirrors, of warm smiles, and "change"... so far, NOTHING he's proposed or done, or hired has even whimpered "change".
I see where he's backed so far away from most of the "hot" buttons that people liked to be pressed for 'em, (tax rates on the rich, Iraq, Afgan, healthcare, that, if I didn't listen to some of his promises for change, I'd have thought we (shudder the thought) just elected a conservative. You can't tell me that in the less than a month from election night to today, things changed so much he had to chuck most of the promises he made.
Shhh! Someone might hear you and sound the alarm in the house of democrats. I'd prefer they all stay in la la land.
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I'm wondering if in 4 or 8 years, there will be an "Office of the Former President"? Ya want real job security, get hired as Obama's logo and seal designer.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
