Democrats versus Republicans

[sailaway21]

Barney Franks was on CNN this day with Wolf Blitzer and was absolutely amazing. He and the Democrats had absolutely nothing to do with the sub-prime imbroglio. I'm much relieved to learn of this fact.

[wind_magic]

Sway, it was all Bush's fault. Did you not get the memo ?

[sailhog]

Did you guys see the Iraqi journalist throw his sailboats at President Bush?

[TropicCat]

Originally Posted by wind_magic

Sway, it was all Bush's fault. Did you not get the memo ?

I could send him a copy of it.

[PBzeer]

An Inconvenient Truth ?

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Myths and Facts About the Real Bush Record

[SailKing1]

Hey PB,

Thanks for the article.

[chucklesR]

How many of you guys are loving the fact that Obama and Biden are now saying they will remove all 'combat' troops from Iraq in 2 years (essentially what responsible leader's have said all along), as opposed to the original 6 months or so?

[wind_magic]

Originally Posted by chucklesR

How many of you guys are loving the fact that Obama and Biden are now saying they will remove all 'combat' troops from Iraq in 2 years (essentially what responsible leader's have said all along), as opposed to the original 6 months or so?

Yeah, we've been on to that one since before the election started.

Originally Posted by wind_magic

Even if/when Democrats take control of the White House there won't be a withdraw from Iraq. You heard it here first.

It's a convenient stick to beat Republicans with, and it has been all along, but Democrats and Republicans, everyone, has a stake in what happens in Iraq. No matter who wins the White House we'll be there for a long, long time.

Or to put it another way, they took the place over, then proceeded to spend a few billion $us building a base there, the boundary around which they call "the green zone". You think they've been building all that just to turn around and leave ? D-r-e-a-m .... O-n .....

Source: September 2007 Post

Sck5, are you still convinced we're leaving Iraq ?

[sck5]

chucko

I always thought he said 16 months, not 6. And yes, I am convinced we are leaving. There may be some troops still there in two years but nowhere near the 140,000 or however many it is that are there now.

They may still be guarding the green zone at that point but I hope not. any government that needs a fort like that to protect itself from its own people isnt much of a democratic government to begin with. They may also still be guarding some bases outside of the city at that point but again I sure hope not.

What pisses off the people there and elsewhere in the Arab world is being occupied. Why get halfway out, lose any military advantage we ever had, but avoid getting any of the political advantage by still occupying them? That would be stupid (not that they wont be stupid, but just my opinion) - There are only two ways to do it that have any logic as far as I can see - Either all in or all out. Of course I pick all of them out but even if you disagree we can probably all agree that a halfassed occupation is way worse than either of the other possibilities.

[wind_magic]

We're not leaving Iraq.

We'll be there 20 years from now, 30 years, you just wait and see.

What's really sad is the way politicians [*** EDITED A LOT OF THINGS OUT HERE ***] promising it anew during every election cycle ..

EDIT ...

I am doing a major edit on my post.

Hey, it's Christmas, a New Year 2009 coming on, and our new President elect hasn't even been sworn in yet. I got a little carried away in my post, so I am taking it out, and wishing everyone Democrats and Republicans alike a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.