Quote of the day from a business reporter in Asia, "Stocks drop around the world on news of the U.S. stimulus plan, with percentage losses not seen since the inauguration of U.S. President Barack Obama three weeks ago".
Of course it is just non-sense to say that, the truth is that it's normal for the market to buy the rumor and sell the news, and that's what happened, it had been rallying all last week in anticipation of the stimulus plan and then sold off when the news came out, but still it was funny to hear a foreign news reporter say that.
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What are you pretending not to know ?
"Sounds like rationed healthcare may be coming sooner then we expected?"
Do you actually believe it isnt rationed already?
I just googled "health care waiting list" under the news section. Six articles popped up. Not one was related to health care in the U.S. but instead they were about the U.K., Ireland and Canada. So no, I don't think our health care is rationed already. Women can get breast implants and single mothers can get fertility procedures that result in eight babies being born, all without the oversight of a government bureaucrat. Do you actually believe you will be better off with a government worker monitoring your doctor's care of you? What if the government bureaucrat doesn't like abortions?
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Ray
S.V. Nikko
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La Conner, WA
You dont wait for doctor's appointments, sometimes for weeks or months? Many of the rest of us do. That is rationing.
More than that, perhaps you were unaware, but getting the medical care needed is simply beyond the budgets of many people. That is called rationing and the mechanism is doing it by price. In fact, more than 40 million people in this country have no health insurance at all. That number will grow as the depression deepens.
You can certainly believe that rationing by price is OK or better than the alternatives but it is still rationing.
And if you dont believe me that wait times in the US are worse than those with universal health care, perhaps you might want to read this article from Business Week which last I knew was certainly not a left wing rag
No sck, in the 40 some years I've been responsible for my health needs, I've never waited more than a day or two, and then, only because it wasn't urgent. Perhaps you need to find another doctor if you have to wait months to see yours. Evidently though, you prefer to have some bureaucrat decide whan you should get in.
As to your 40 million uninsured, that number doesn't take into account any of the variables that include those who choose not to carry insurance, those between coverages, and, last I heard, around 19 million illegals.
The only way to make something more affordable though, as the housing debacle should have shown, is by reducing the costs. Not by paying for it with someone else's money, nor by mandating prices.
Since the mid 60's and the heyday of the Great Society, we have had programs in place to ensure people don't go hungry, and yet, we still hear stories of those who don't have enough food. Why would you think healthcare would be any different?
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John
Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
Then you are far better off than most of the rest of us. Denying the facts before you, or just saying "I've got mine so screw the rest of you" isnt very productive when in fact health care is a major problem - It is bankrupting many of us and the Federal government will be in major difficulties if nothing is done.
As for bureaucrats deciding what care I get, they already do. They are profit driven assholes in an insurance company I have never seen and have no control over. This is the situation most people are in, if they have insurance at all.
Myths like that of the waiting times are the kind of thing that prevent change. If you cant believe publications run by your own rightwingers then you are immune to information.
And by the way, the 40 million doesnt count illegal aliens. Nice try but no dice. Here is the HHS data on uninsured people. Check the graph on insurance status by citizenship
Then you are far better off than most of the rest of us. Denying the facts before you, or just saying "I've got mine so screw the rest of you" isnt very productive when in fact health care is a major problem - It is bankrupting many of us and the Federal government will be in major difficulties if nothing is done.
As for bureaucrats deciding what care I get, they already do. They are profit driven assholes in an insurance company I have never seen and have no control over. This is the situation most people are in, if they have insurance at all.
Myths like that of the waiting times are the kind of thing that prevent change. If you cant believe publications run by your own rightwingers then you are immune to information.
And by the way, the 40 million doesnt count illegal aliens. Nice try but no dice. Here is the HHS data on uninsured people. Check the graph on insurance status by citizenship
If those "assholes" in the insurance companies weren't profit-driven, they'd have no business being there. What do you want, sck5? Charity? Hand-outs? You want us to pay your rent, too? Sure, I'll work harder to make that happen for you. Need a better car? Sway, chip in will you? Our brother sck5 needs a car and you probably have more money than you need right now. PB, I don't think you're doing enough to help sck5, you should be penalized for under-working.
I had a doctor about 5 years ago that stacked patients and when I called to set an appointment for my yearly physical I was told the earliest opening was 5 months out.
No problem, I checked around and found a doctor that would see me in 3 days. Turns out that my NEW doctor does not stack patients. He actually spends time with me approximately 90 minutes when conducting a physical and does everything himself. He also calls me personally with the results good or bad.
A couple of years ago I had to get liver biopsy and the referral doctor could not see me for 6 weeks. I called my Doctor and he found someone closer that could see me in 3 days.
The same issue came up when I had to have the dreaded colon snake procedure. Just looked for another doc that could do it sooner.
I guess I should have sent a letter to my previous doc and thanked him for being greedy which caused me to find a better doctor.
The nice thing about all of this is I had the OPTION to do so instead of having the government telling me what I had to do. The point being that every one has this option. If you get poor service from a business you find a different business to go to. Doctors are no different. Sck, you might try it instead of complaining.
No sck, it's not about "I got mine, screw up". That's just cheap rhetoric. What it is about, is, if I could do it, why can't you?
I'm no son of privilege, nor an inheritor of wealth. I've not won the lottery or discovered buried treasure. All I've done is take responsibility for providing for myself by my own efforts. A path that is available to most anyone who wants to take it. It's one thing to provide for those who are unable. It's quite something else to provide for those who are unwilling.
Last I read, the Constitution didn't provide for making me happy, only giving me the opportunity to be. Nor does it promise to take care of my needs and wants, much less my every need and want. Government is not a panacea, except to those unwilling to take care of themselves.
There are two types of people. Those with their hand out, and those, in the words of Roger Miller, who knuckle down, buckle down and do it, do it, do it. I prefer those of the later persuasion.
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John
Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
