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70% of oil usage is for transportation.

windy - they could subsidize the pumps, but what about the fuel that has to be paid for before it's sold? Filling stations will put them in, when there is a demand that will equal or exceed their costs.
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There are some small things that the government can do, but I don't think there are many. The government CAN help with subsidies to companies that install pumps at service stations for alternative fuels, for example, because some things like acceptance of new kinds of fuels need to reach critical mass before people start using it. As it is now, for example, nobody would drive a natural gas vehicle as a private vehicle because where would you fill up with natural gas ? Do you really want to be riding down the interstate low on fuel and have to start calling around asking where the nearest nat gas station is ?
The problem isn't government trying to help solve our problem, it's the federal government trying to. If the states of Texas or Oklahoma tried to give tax rebate to gas stations or car dealers for natural gas, then we'd have far fewer problems. Those two states aren't trying fifteen other thing and can reverse themselves quickly. It would be a good idea in those states because they have plenty of natural gas. When you get the fed involved you get states that have no NG crying that they have to get money to for they're scemes which aren't such good ideas.

But this has been a growing problem for years. The easy example is education. Once all decisions were made be the local school district, then by the county, then by the state now more and more the fed is getting involved. This locks up new ideas. If you have to get a couple hundred million people to agree before you can even try anything then nothing gets tried. To get back on track we need a sift in people preception. A realignment of power so more people pay attention to they're local officials and less attention to the fed. To pull this off would require a major revamping of our system and it would be hard to get the people to go along.

Think about convincing most American that the president shouldn't be elected by popular vote and should have most of his athority stripped away, then try to get them to go back to they're senators being elected by they're state senates. Then stiking down a whole series of laws enacted in the past hundred years.

It will happen, some time in the future and probably with out the consent of the fed. But for now the only thing left is to stand against as much as possible and hope for the best.
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From the 9 March 2009 National Review editors...

"The US government created this country's ethanol industry. First it subsidized it. Then it protected it with tariffs. Finally, after these measures failed to spark a demand for ethanol, the government mandated its use as an additive in gasoline. The mandate did the trick. Once people were actually required to buy ethanol, distilleries started popping up all over the Midwest. Then the financial crisis hit. Gasoline consumption declined as the economy slowed, meaning less demand for ethanol. Plants started going out of business every week, putting thousands of people out of work. Now the industry is asking for a $1 billion bailout to get it through these difficult times. The joke is on the American public, whose representatives set aside $20 billion for renewable-energy subsidies in the stimulus bill. Think of the ethanol industry, and remember that subsidies are just the beginning."
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here's a thought to make sway's skin crawl. In actual fact the cheapest way for us to get ethanol would be to buy it from the Cubans who have lots of sugar cane they dont know what to do with. Maybe we could engineer a coup against Mr. Castro!! I think the only reason we do so much for ethanol is that Iowa comes first in Presidential elections.
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Why do we even want ethanol, let alone Cuban ethanol? It, ah, doesn't work and it takes two gallons of precious water to make each gallon of ethanol. In fact, it's a real question whether it takes more energy to make ethanol than ethanol yields. That's just plain stupid in anybody's book.

The only reason we put so much into ethanol is that progressives are suckers for anything they can call renewable.

The coup against Castro idea has far more merit than I'm accustomed to granting you. I'll log off before you tell me you're joking, and ruin my night. (g)
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here's a thought to make sway's skin crawl. In actual fact the cheapest way for us to get ethanol would be to buy it from the Cubans who have lots of sugar cane they dont know what to do with. Maybe we could engineer a coup against Mr. Castro!! I think the only reason we do so much for ethanol is that Iowa comes first in Presidential elections.
I'm going to go out on a limb and bet you don't have a single fact to back that up.
I know it's a shame 'cus it sounds good, but fact is facts - even when they are liberal facts.
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Actually, Brazil is the source for cheaper ethanol.
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Interesting difference between Bush and Obama, vis-a-vis the media. While Bush was savagely and unendingly attacked, he never whined about it. The slightest contrary word to Bambi though is cause for a crying jag.
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Brazil uses what they make, they aren't in a position to sell surplus.
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does anyone run a hydrogen booster on a diesel in a boat? in my car it gets me 85+ mpg depending on the weight of my foot. i was just wondering, i don't want to spam but if anyone wants the address to the place i got mine let me know.
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