Democrats versus Republicans

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy

sound familiar to ya, that's more of a progressive and current administration agenda than a right wing agenda

A good analysis, but you have not proven your last point.

Another important distinction is that German business supported Hitlar and gained from it.

"The economy needed a steady or growing development. Because of the rivalries between the many political parties in Germany and the general disorder there was no opportunity for prosperity. ... We thought that Hitler would give us such a healthy environment. Indeed he did do that. ... We Krupps never cared much about [political] ideas. We only wanted a system that worked well and allowed us to work unhindered. Politics is not our business."

AlfiiedKrupp

[Sunbeam]

Originally Posted by jackdale

The Democrats espouse a society based on more more equality of opportunity.

Do they want everyone to have a chance to become an airline pilot? Do they want to fly on a plane piloted by an affirmative action, government quota hiree? Would they allow themselves to be operated on by someone who meets the bare minimum requirements for a degree? Sounds like Cuba. I don't believe there's much difference between the Dems and the Castros -- or Chavez. Whatever happened to striving for excellence.

[PBzeer]

A good analysis, but you have not proven your last point.

There are the pronouncements of the Obama auto task force on the future policy of GM and Chrysler. Not to mention the ouster of Waggnor at GM.

Refusing the payback of TARP funds by banks.

Proposed health care "reforms".

Overturning contractual law by favoring unsecured creditors over secured ones.

Cap and trade.

But hey, it's only been 4 months. You can't expect him to do everything at once

[PBzeer]

The Democrats espouse a society based on more more equality of opportunity.

No, what Obama has repeatedly expressed is equality of OUTCOME. Equality of opportunity should be self-evident by his occupation of the Oval Office.

[wind_magic]

You guys are getting lured into the exact same arguments that allowed Nazi's to take control in Germany - fascism isn't left vs. right, it is statism vs. individual freedom.

Take the "World's smallest political quiz" and find out where you fit - when you see your results, remember that fascism, communism, and all the other statists are at the bottom of the graph.

Statism is driven by one thing - FEAR.

Statists seek to control you with fear, on the right they use fear tactics such as saying that the culture has run amok, that nobody has values anymore, that we need to return to an earlier time of purity, etc. On the left statists try to convince you that the right is out to get you, that you are pawns of big corporations, that your pensions will be taken away, that your jobs are going to be shipped overseas. Statists derive all of their power from fear and fear mongering, you can see them on the television every night spreading their venom, sinking their fangs into America - they pretend to care about you, but all the want to do is gain more power over you.

Statists have an enemy, their enemy is people who believe in individual liberty. Those who believe in liberty encourage individual achievement, they encourage you to be strong, to use your mind, to become what you were meant to be - they talk about bottom up economics, bottom up politics, on the right they encourage you to support small business, states rights, or even better localities, etc. On the left they encourage education, taking individual responsibility for the environment, taking a stand against oppression and injustice, etc. People who believe in liberty and self-reliance on both the right and left risk a lot when they fight against one another, because their real enemy is collectivism.

Fascists, communists, etc, gain power during troubled times, because their bricks and mortar is FEAR. The more afraid you are, the weaker you are, the less able to think for yourself, etc, the more power you give them.

[PBzeer]

Excellent point windy.

Sounds much like what Mr Barone is saying here: RealClearPolitics - Obama Offers Security at the Expense of Liberty

[erps]

The Democrats espouse a society based on more more equality of opportunity.

Actually, I've heard that's more of a Republican thing and that Democrats are more for equality of outcome. (just repeating opinions I've read of the years)

edit: Doh! John beat me to it.

[erps]

Jack - I don't claim the right is without their share of platitudes. It's common political parlance.

I'm not sure how you can equate one form of tax revenue generation as being implicitly more designed to "provide" government benefits than another.

Yes, isn't that more of a revenue issue? It takes X amount of dollars to provide services. X amount can be collected by taxing everyone X percent, or by letting some not pay any taxes at all and TAKING more from others.

[wind_magic]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

Excellent point windy.

Sounds much like what Mr Barone is saying here: RealClearPolitics - Obama Offers Security at the Expense of Liberty

Yeah, and Bush did EXACTLY the same thing, let's not forget how many times we heard about all the people who were out to get us, how we needed new laws that take away our liberties to protect us for our own good, etc.

[PBzeer]

Can't argue that windy, though I think there is a question of intent.