Falwell (a leader of conservatives and the right - and a founder of one of the biggest Universities for the right) says:
"God had allowed the United States to be attacked because "the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians" had tried to transform America into a secular society.
Is that anti-intellectual? That reminds me of ancient times, when rulers subjugated people by saying they created the weather and fates.
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Thank you craig, for confirming what I expected from you. That quote is certainly on par with those of the enlightened left who attribute 9/11 to some nefarious Bush/Cheney machination to seize power.
I knew you'd pick someone from the fringe, and that is all Falwell ever was, as your example.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
BTW, the asian tidal wave and katrina were also blamed on sin, abortion, etc. etc.
To be clear, those anti-science sentiments are attributed to "religious conservatives". However, it would be my guess that a large % of the current folks polling as GOP aligned (about 25% of the population) would be those people.
From religioustolerance.org:
Non-theists are people who have no belief in the existence of a personal God. They include Agnostics, Atheists, Humanists, some free-thinkers, etc. They may find it easier than others to accept these tragedies. Not believing in a all-powerful, supernatural deity who micro-manages the world, they can accept that:
Earthquakes are the caused by tectonic plates rupturing deep in the earth.
Tsunamis are the natural result of certain strong earthquakes,
Hurricanes are purely naturally occurring events.
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The above is science or intellectualism. Saying gays caused 9/11 is anti-intellectualism.
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"I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation without having lodged somewhere a power which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner as the authority of the state governments extends over the individual states"
-George Washington
Thank you craig, for confirming what I expected from you. That quote is certainly on par with those of the enlightened left who attribute 9/11 to some nefarious Bush/Cheney machination to seize power.
I knew you'd pick someone from the fringe, and that is all Falwell ever was, as your example.
Falwell had a direct line into President Bush (and probably other Presidents) whenever he wanted to talk. He started the largest University of it's type in the country. He is consider very mainstream in Va, as I have a friend who DREAMS of sending his kids to that college.
Are you really saying the President Bush let "fringe far-right" conservatives call him directly on the phone? That Bush asks fringes who to appoint to the Supreme court?
--------------Fringe?????
"the Bush Administration has actively sought the advice of radical right leader Jerry Falwell on whom to nominate for vacancy on the Supreme Court"
Is Cheney giving Limbaugh hugs (verbally) also "fringe"?
Look around, my man. I couldn't make this stuff up! Rush Limbaugh is head of the Grand Ole Party. He is steering the show. An entertainer who doesn't have a college degree and who does not even have a family (can't keep a wife, etc.)........
THAT is anti-intellectualism. Do as I say, not as I do (or not as logic and reason would point).
Instead of going on the attack, why not just say if you support ANY of the points I have made - which are ANSWERS or EXAMPLES that YOU asked for? Too much to ask? Yes or no....
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"I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation without having lodged somewhere a power which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner as the authority of the state governments extends over the individual states"
-George Washington
Falwell had a direct line into President Bush (and probably other Presidents) whenever he wanted to talk....
Now, how would you know this? Aren't you, Like Don Quixote, just creating a foe that you may easily destroy because you are unable to combat the real foe?
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.............Look around, my man. I couldn't make this stuff up!
Yeah, you could. And you did.
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Rush Limbaugh is head of the Grand Ole Party. ........
See?
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A liberal, on the other hand, KNOWS that the government is far out of control....but not because he "feels" it or because someone told him he should get to keep more of his own money. He knows it by reason and logic (meaning he/she can count).
If liberals KNOW that the government is far out of control, then why on earth do they want more government?
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I expected Palin to be raised as the "example", yet, what is it she has done, to merit the label extreme? Or, anti-intellectual?
PZbeer, I have listened to demagogues of both the right and left and don't like either. I choose to believe your question about Palin is disingenuous and that you honestly have heard her and wondered?
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Does an Obama have a better understanding of the law, by going to Harvard, then someone who attends Hillsdale College?
Yes, a hundred times "Yes"! If you believe otherwise, why not appoint a whole class from Hillsdale College to the High Court? Obama has not merely attended but proven himself sufficiently to lecture in law.
I don't have a problem with your disdain for smug righteousness; I started out working life lecturing at University but left when the incest began to bore me and I realized "I cannot do this for the rest of my life." It is, however, a huge step from that to sincerely ignoring acquired knowledge. We don't want our boats to be built by violinists, and I sure as hell don't want Joe the Plumber to figure out legislation for me.
"Yes, a hundred times "Yes"! If you believe otherwise, why not appoint a whole class from Hillsdale College to the High Court? Obama has not merely attended but proven himself sufficiently to lecture in law."
Dear sweet Osmound...
next time you flame up a factoid, do yourself a flava willya?
See, some of us actually do the homework rather than read the headlines.
Obama spent twelve years on the University of Chicago Law School faculty-and produced not even a single paper. He was President of Harvard Law Review, but wrote nothing himself. save but one anonymous article on abortion rights.
"Lecture in Law"
His name was attached to three courses. He was the "Professor" No, actually his title was "Senior Lecturer", across THREE classes.
Lets say it again, just in case you missed it.
He "taught" 3 classes...
total number of lectures, in 4 years and across 3 classes?
7.
read that number.... seven... not even 17...seven.
parse those numbers anyway you'd like. Thats a remarkable tenure... opps, sorry, he wasn't tenured, although it was offered.
Maybe some of those 7 one hour lectures were "Sermon on the mound(t), but I must missed 'em. because no transcripts exist.
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........Yes, a hundred times "Yes"! If you believe otherwise, why not appoint a whole class from Hillsdale College to the High Court? Obama has not merely attended but proven himself sufficiently to lecture in law.
I don't have a problem with your disdain for smug righteousness; I started out working life lecturing at University but left when the incest began to bore me and I realized "I cannot do this for the rest of my life." It is, however, a huge step from that to sincerely ignoring acquired knowledge. We don't want our boats to be built by violinists, and I sure as hell don't want Joe the Plumber to figure out legislation for me.
There can be little doubt that Obama has acquired knowledge far beyond that of the "Hillsdale" grad. If any one of us found ourselves in serious trouble we would each want the Harvard grad to defend us and would wish to be prosecuted by the Hillsdale grad.
But it is not his knowledge that I find myself concerned with. There needs to be a balance between Joe and Obama. After all, Ronald Reagan only graduated from Eureka College, a college with some obscurity. The barking dogs among the liberals continually howled about Reagan's intellect, but the fact is he was a very effective leader. Far better, in fact, than James Earl Carter, who had a much better education.
I fear Obama has not anticipated the public's reaction to his policies and has created - accidentally created - an America that will never be the equal of its predecessor; never see 3% unemployment again; never see prosperity again to the degree we did in past years.
It makes me sad to see that we are drifting towards a more European style economy, but I understand that it was nearly inevitable. Inevitable, I say, because I believe the root cause of our demise is the 17th Amendment, which allows for popular election of senators thereby allowing them to remain in office virtually forever.
The contentious battles now being fought at the expense of the nation used to be fought only at the expense of the state. And that was a far, far, less costly battle.
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No OsmundL, I don't believe a Harvard education is somehow superior. While Harvard may boast more "celebrated" faculty, that alone does not guarantee a better, nor more comprehensive, educational experience. Though it certainly promotes a more cliquish one.
Joe the Plumber is exactly who the Founders envisioned as the source of legislation. Citizen legislators, not professional politicians (who's record over the past 80 years leaves much to be desired). I'd much prefer someone not steeped in the business of legal contortion to write laws, then the lawyer heavy legislators we now have. Most of the actual work of which is done by staff, not the lawmaker.
So no, I don't fear laymen as legislators. In fact, I'd prefer someone who has to deal with the laws written, then someone who sees them as obstacles to be surmounted, avoided, or circumvented.
Having a list of letters after one's name does not impart wisdom, it is only a sign of mastering a certain and specific realm of knowledge. Statistically, Bush did better in college than Kerry, but which one is "perceived" as smart and which as dumb?
Knowledge is a valuable tool, but if one doesn't know how to use it, it's worthless.
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Ontario 32 - Aria
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
