Democrats versus Republicans

[erps]

when the money was flowing like wine AND the government was in debt at the same time...no one had any concern.

here's a link to just one post earlier in this thread where concern was raised over Bush spending.


http://www.sailnet.com/forums/politi...tml#post270403

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by craigimass

Yep, now all we need is the right to carry in airplanes, stadiums, hospitals and schools...and all things will be right.

They might not be completely set right but, they'll be on the right path.

[jackdale]

I think I will really start avoiding the San Juans.

Just remember, your guns are not welcome up here. Of course, neither are your potatoes or apples.

[wind_magic]

Craigimass,

You assume way too much.

[erps]

I think I will really start avoiding the San Juans.

Just remember, your guns are not welcome up here. Of course, neither are your potatoes or apples.

Actually they are, you just have to jump through a few hoops.

Visitors may import non-restricted firearms (shotgun/rifle) into Canada for legitimate purposes:

* sporting or hunting use during hunting season;
* use in competitions;
* in-transit movement (i.e., moving in the most direct route possible from Point A to Point B) through Canada; or
* personal protection against wildlife in remote areas of Canada, as long as the customs officer is satisfied that the circumstances warrant the firearm being imported.
* Import 200 rounds duty free for hunting purposes, or up to 1,500 rounds duty free for use at a recognized competition.
* Stop at American Customs prior to entering Canada and complete Customs Form 4457.

Bringing Firearms Into Canada

Potatoes don't kill people, people kill people.

[erps]

I think I will really start avoiding the San Juans.

You're probably safer in the San Juans than in your home town.

The number of guns on Calgary's streets, and the number of people who are willing to use them has police in the city worried.........Marchant said Calgary police are making gun-related arrests almost daily.

"With the increase in guns on our streets, we're seeing more out-and-out brazen, basically, executions on our streets," he said.

Calgary police worried by spike in gun violence

Jack, are your police up there armed? If so, why are they armed? Is it so they can defend themselves? Why does your government allow some people the means to defend themselves, but not others? Is that discrimination? I thought Canadians were against discrimination?

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by erps

You're probably safer in the San Juans than in your home town.


Calgary police worried by spike in gun violence

Jack, are your police up there armed? If so, why are they armed? Is it so they can defend themselves? Why does your government allow some people the means to defend themselves, but not others? Is that discrimination? I thought Canadians were against discrimination?

Most of the handguns used in gang violence in Calgary are smuggled in from the US.

"The only way you're could really make a dent in the underground economy is by arresting people involved in it - the Americans."
CBC Toronto - Features - Across the border

There two broad types of discrimination: rational and irrational. It is ration to expect that firefighters meet certain requirements with respect the physical demands of the job. It is irrational to suppose that women are capable meeting those requirements. When I first moved to Calgary women were not hired by the transit system because it was believed that they did have the strength to dribe such a big vehicle. They has power steering.

In Canada we expect the police to protect us. Yes, they are usually armed. Vigilantes are not welcome. I know that this story will be hard to understand from an American perspective, but the author represented how we as Canadians generally think.

It is repugnant that there is growing support from across Canada for the Tees area farmer who allegedly shot someone who was allegedly trying to steal a quad from his farmyard. A Facebook page with more than 27,000 members of support has been created. In addition, phone calls and e-mails of support have flooded in for the farmer who appeared in Stettler court last week facing charges, including pointing a firearm, possession of a weapon dangerous to the public, assault, discharging a firearm, dangerous driving and possessing an unregistered firearm.

Vigilante justice does not provide due process rights the accused are afforded in our justice system. Nor are there any checks and balances for cruel or unusual punishment administered by those delivering vigilante justice. Vigilantism is unjust because the vigilante becomes judge, jury and executioner, without any fact finding at all.

Those who commit crimes still deserve to be treated humanely and they have the right to a fair trial. Everyone deserves equal treatment.

It is better to have a police force, even if it is not close enough, than to have no police at all. And it is better to have a justice system, even if it has flaws, than to have no justice system at all.

Vigilante justice often goes to the extreme and can easily go very wrong. What if the Tees farmer had killed someone for allegedly trying to steal from him? Which crime is worse? Theft or homicide?

No excuse for vigilantism - Lacombe Globe - Alberta, CA

We can use reasonable force to help prevent a crime.

Different strokes for different folks.

Jack

[erps]

In Canada we expect the police to protect us. Yes, they are usually armed.

So you're not against armed defense then, you just expect someone else to do it for you?

Vigilantes are not welcome. I know that this story will be hard to understand from an American perspective, but the author represented how we as Canadians generally think.

Vigilantes are frowned upon down here too. I don't know why you would assume that would be hard for an American to understand. Use of a firearm to defend one's life is "reasonable" down here. Is it unreasonable up there?

Also, the article you posted, what exactly is it evidence of? That 27,000 of your neighbors approve of vigilantism, or that one person (the author) does not?

[sailaway21]

A careful reading of jackdale's posted article would lead one to believe that the farmer should be content with his right to enter the thief's property and attempt to steal his quad. Amazingly enough, this is what passes for rational thinking within the Dominion. Equal opportunity thievery.

And apparently, if the US did not exist or border Canada, there'd be no violence at all in Calgary. Who'da think NAFTA could level the violence playing field so quickly.

[PBzeer]

As Bambi works to make cars what they SHOULD be, it helps not to forget ..... there's always the good ol' law of unintended consequences. Like towing your boat with a Prius. Or piling the family into a VW Bug for that 500 mile trip to Disneyland. Or living 50 miles away from work with a 35 mile range electric car. Or bringing home that shiny new 42" HDTV in your Morris Minor. Or fitting your 6' 2" frame into a PUMA.

"Course, the Obamatuer ain't gotta worry, cause he's got those Suburbans and Limos to get around in.