Democrats versus Republicans

[SailKing1]

Came across this paragraph in an attachment to a search. Found it to be well put.

Freedom without responsibility is self-centeredness and leads to chaotic breakdown of society and the loss of freedom. Every action or decision has its consequences. Without taking responsibility for our actions and decisions as an individual and dealing with those consequences, then the community or more likely the government will have to deal with those consequences. Then as the government begins acting irresponsibly, those consequences fall back on the citizens who have already refused to be responsible as well, sending the responsibility back to the government. The government then begins reducing the peoples choices in order to eliminate the peoples responsibility, and creates ¡°rights¡± for the people. As more and more privileges and responsibilities are converted to "rights", the government continues to gain control over the people. The irresponsible people then come to expect those "rights" to be delivered to them. With that kind of expectation the government has power to withhold those "rights" or tease the people, and the people become pawns or subjects of the government. This transition is one to socialism and dictatorships resulting in loss of freedom.

Seems to describe what is happening with our current administration.

[ssneade]

the current government abhors the word individual, but loves the word group....

[Undine]

In 1984, Congress and all new federal employees were put under Social Security. Existing federal employees were given the choice to stay with the existing plan or change over to SS with their excess contributions to be placed in a stock based 401K. (Federal employees paid in a higher % into their retirement.)

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by ssneade

Oh, well tell us more. if my previous post was fictitious, i will retract it. 'til then i like my post better than yours....

Snopes is your friend

Retraction in order.


Jack

[Undine]

Poor SSneade, he lives in a fantasy world.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by ssneade

LET US SHOW OUR LEADERS IN WASHINGTON "PEOPLE POWER" AND THE POWER OF THE INTERNET.

PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS.


How many people WILL you send this to ?

None.

[ssneade]

i stand corrected, jack. however i'm still gonna post things you and your socialist buddies dislike. it's up to you to disprove them. and if you do, it will be my pleasure to remove them, deal?

[ssneade]

i guess this is a fantasy too....

Over the course of two years, the annual health insurance premiums at David White's auto shop in Bar Harbor, Maine, more than doubled from $23,000 to $47,000.

"It was platinum coverage," he said of the insurance plan, which covered himself, three employees and their families. "I was happy to do it."

The rising costs eventually proved too much to handle, and he canceled the plan. Now he's hoping that a health care reform plan in Congress will allow him and his employees to enroll in a proposed government-run program.

Mr. White is exactly the kind of small-business owner that Democratic leaders had hoped would support their reform proposals. But the largest lobbying group for small-business owners says the health care bills in Congress would hurt the David Whites of the world and, in a major blow to President Obama and his allies, is complaining publicly about the plans' most important components.

The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) says small-business owners should worry about the bills' requirement that employers provide health insurance, and about higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for the proposed benefits.

NFIB, a powerful lobbying group and a traditional friend to conservative causes, also says the House reform bills wouldn't be effective in decreasing insurance costs.

The White House has vigorously courted small-business lobbying groups on the health care issue, hoping to divide the business community. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other organizations that represent larger businesses are opposing the president's health care drive.

But the Obama administration had high hopes of bringing small-business lobbyists into its camp. Christina Romer, chairwoman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, hosted a question-and-answer session for small-business owners through the networking site LinkedIn on July 29. NFIB made pro-health-care-reform noises for months, encouraging speculation that it might jump aboard the Democrats' legislative campaign.

But those hopes have been dashed. NFIB, which claims 350,000 members, has opposed the major health care reform bills in the House.

An alternative, small-business lobbying group has formed to back Mr. Obama's reform efforts. The Main Street Alliance was organized in 2008 as an alternative to NFIB and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Made up of state chapters, the alliance supports the Democrats' reform proposals. Mr. White is a member.

Provisions in the House plans would mandate all employers with payrolls exceeding $500,000 a year to provide insurance to their employees. That figure was originally $250,000 but increased as part of a deal to win support from conservative Blue Dog Democrats. Employers that don't provide insurance would be fined up to 8 percent of their total payroll costs.

The bills also would cut Medicare and Medicaid funding, as well as levy a tax on the wealthiest Americans, starting with individuals who make more than $280,000 a year or couples with a combined annual income of more than $350,000. Small-business owners, some of whom list their business earnings on their personal income tax forms, have expressed concern that they would get hit with a tax increase.

In the Senate, the Finance Committee is not expected to include an employer mandate, but its health care bill will have incentives to provide insurance, lawmakers say.

[ssneade]

this also....

You probably already knew Jeanane Garofalo was no fan of conservatives, Republicans or just about anything that could be described as right of center. But the former Air America host and MSNBC regular really has a low regard for conservative activists.

In an appearance at the 9:30 Club in Washington, D.C. on Aug. 21, Garofalo ripped into tea party protesters, or what some of the wizards of smart on the left have deemed "tea baggers" calling them "functionally retarded adults" and "racists."

"Do you remember tea baggers?" Garofalo said. "It was just so much easier when we could just call them racists. I just don't know why we can't call them racists, or functionally retarded adults."

Garofalo has made prior overtures alleging any public display of discontent with the current president is nothing more than racial hatred. Back in April she called tea party protesters "a bunch of tea bagging rednecks" on MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermann." However, she contended the public's frustration expressed over the direction of the country was code for racism.

"The functionally retarded adults, the racists - with their cries of, ‘I want my country back,'" she said. "You know what they're really saying is, ‘I want my white guy back.' They apparently had no problem at all for the last eight years of habeas corpus being suspended, the Constitution being [expletive] on, illegal surveillance, lied to on a war or two, two stolen elections - yes, the John Kerry one was stolen too. That's not tin-foil hat time. That's just..."

According to Garofalo, the media were the reason George W. Bush defeated both former Vice President Al Gore in 2000 and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in 2004 to hold on to the White House for eight years.

"Our media is quite happy to report on any stolen election around the world, any stolen election around the world except ours," Garofalo said. "And it's just unexamined narcissism. It's just, if you were to say this to the average American, ‘You know they steal elections in Uganda.' ‘Yeah.' ‘You know they steal elections in America.' ‘Why do you hate America?' ‘Why didn't you ask me why do you hate Uganda?'"

And throughout Garofalo's stand-up routine, she reiterated her belief that the outrage over President Barack Obama's and the Democratic-controlled Congress' branded of domestic policy is veiled racism.

"This is neuroscience," Garofalo continued. "This is not politics, this is neuroscience. It is purely limbic brain activity - this emotion over being angry that there's a black guy in office, with the people showing up armed to the health care meetings - to whatever, the town halls. But it's just, and these tea baggers. It makes me soul sick."

that chick is as loony as you....

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by ssneade

i stand corrected, jack. however i'm still gonna post things you and your socialist buddies dislike. it's up to you to disprove them. and if you do, it will be my pleasure to remove them, deal?

You are welcome to post anything you want. You have freedom of speech and I have freedom of expression.

However, posting hoaxes, myths and mistruths does little for anyone's credibility. I also think you have an onus to support your conclusions. I do not care where anyone is on the political spectrum as long they engage in critical thinking and constructive discussion.

BTW - I am not really a socialist; more of a social democrat.

Jack