Democrats versus Republicans

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by ssneade

i guess this is a fantasy too....

No, but quoting the source might help.

By Jennifer Haberkorn (Contact) | Monday, August 24, 2009

Jack

[ssneade]

that's true. that would at least make it easier for you to investigate. glad there is someone out there keeping me on my political toes. you are to be commended.....

[ssneade]

you asked for it....

Thursday, August 27, 2009

Release the Terrorist, Investigate the CIA [Andy McCarthy]

The Wall Street Jounral has a terrific editorial this morning on how valuable the CIA interrogation program was in uncovering life-saving intelligence. My favorite paragraph was this one, which gets into the terrorist the mainstream press doesn't want to talk about, Binyam Mohammed (see my column on him, here):

The most revealing portion of the IG report documents the program's results. The CIA's "detention and interrogation of terrorists has provided intelligence that has enabled the identification and apprehension of other terrorists and warned of terrorist plots planned for the United States and around the world." That included the identification of Jose Padilla and Binyam Muhammed, who planned to detonate a dirty bomb, and the arrest of previously unknown members of an al Qaeda cell in Karachi, Pakistan, designated to pilot an aircraft attack in the U.S. The information also made the CIA aware of plots to attack the U.S. consulate in Karachi, hijack aircraft to fly into Heathrow, loosen track spikes to derail a U.S. train, blow up U.S. gas stations, fly an airplane into a California building, and cut the lines of suspension bridges in New York.

Though the Journal does not get into it, Binyam Mohammed was released outright by the Obama administration in February. He is now living freely in England. That's our new counterterrorism approach: Release the terrorist who planned mass-murder attacks against U.S. cities but investigate the CIA agents who prevented mass-murder attacks against U.S. cities. I suppose that's what happens when control of the Justice Department shifts from the lawyers who spent the last eight years going after the terrorists to the lawyers who spent the last eight years representing the terrorists. That certainly is Change.

[CGMojo]

Walk-in, inexperienced student offered $33K/year salary to stir the pot for the Democrats:

http://www.thefoxnation.com/culture/2009/08/28/hidden-camera-undercover-left-wing-astroturfer

[wind_magic]

Cruisingdad,

I thought it would be better to bring part of the discussion over from the market thread to this one.

I totally identify with what you were saying about the impact that a real breakdown in the economy would have on most people in the country, it speaks to the core of the rural point of view, self-reliance. I hope it never comes to the point that urban people have to be self-reliant again, because it would be a real shift in world view for most of them, a dramatic and painful shift.

You asked how many people could feed themselves, etc, if things got too bad, around here people really can and do feed themselves, shelter themselves, etc. In rural America people really are self-reliant, I don't mean in small town Walmart America, I mean out where the pavement ends.

[sck5]

"In rural America people really are self-reliant, I don't mean in small town Walmart America, I mean out where the pavement ends."

I live in a rural area. "Where the pavement ends" covers very very few people in this country. The other 99% really are interdependent. They may like to think of themselves as frontiersmen but really they arent. Think about all the things they take for granted like enough energy to heat their homes (sure you can cut wood but have any of you ever tried to cut enough for a whole winter?) food at the grocery store, medical services, etc. etc.

I have a deer rifle and a shotgun but I am under no illusions that I could easily provide for my family entirely on our own. We might not starve but it would be very very rough.

[wind_magic]

Sck5, you'd have to go and read CD's post in the market thread for the context because we are, in fact, talking about "not starving", nobody is saying that people out in rural areas would have it easy if the world went to hell.

[sck5]

Ok - I guess I missed that. But I think most people, even in rural areas, would have a very tough time. Lots of people would die if it came to that sort of a situation.

[wind_magic]

Originally Posted by sck5

Ok - I guess I missed that. But I think most people, even in rural areas, would have a very tough time. Lots of people would die if it came to that sort of a situation.

I'm just glad you didn't give your "Republicans like to claim they are more rugged and independent than Democrats ..." post so I didn't have to write my "I'm not a Republican ..." post again.

[ssneade]

Originally Posted by sck5

Ok - I guess I missed that. But I think most people, even in rural areas, would have a very tough time. Lots of people would die if it came to that sort of a situation.

i wonder sometimes if that's not what we need. as sad and as catastrophic as it would be, the much needed purging of the poison in our society could be completed in such a fashion....

sure it would be tough, hell i might not make it myself, but there are only two things i cannot physically do. the ability to give birth and fly. anything, i mean anything else i can. i just need to work at it hard enough. and that should be a contagious outlook on life.....