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Originally Posted by camaraderie
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I've noticed from a couple of you that the "single mother" issue is being raised. What is it with this ? I wonder why it strikes you guys so profoundly. ...blame seems to be falling squarely on the girls which seems a tad unfair. I'm not saying they are without blame but...
Ian...I don't think you're on the same track on this one. Must be a language/cultural thing. Let me try to explain from my perspective.
First NO ONE is assigning any more blame to the woman than the man. Obviously they are both to blame but often in America...the guy splits and the woman is left holding the bag for the bad decision she and the guy made and another kid is at risk. In my opinion this is one of the biggest tragedies in our black communities today...the disintegration of the two parent family unit. It effectively sentences future generations to continued poverty. We ain't doing a whole lot better in our white neighborhoods either but the combination of poverty, lack of parenting and resulting dependency on government handouts creates a never ending cycle.
So...THAT is why single moms are such a big deal to me...because of the destruction of the family unit that they represent and the results to society. I'm just as mad at the guys who hit and run leaving the rest of us holding the bag.
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The worst part is the system really does encourage enforced poverty, as many of these women will have multiple children in order to get more money from the system. This leads to large families, with very little in the way of resources, and often neglect or abuse.
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SAILAWAY....I don't envy anyone nor am I jealous of the $$ they make when they can earn it by dint of hard work or special talents. What I am saying is that it makes me MAD AS HELL when guys that have no more talent than me (believe me I dealt with F500 CEO's!) amass billions for themselves and thier fellow officers and interlocking board members...not from making great decisions or better products or gains in market share...but from stripping out the heart of their companies...abandoning any and all social responsibility in the name of "shareholder gains"...which really means THEIR gains over the short term. What makes a fortune 500 CEO worth 50-60 times the average worker Europe and less in Japan and ours 500 times higher. It is obscene and immoral and serves to fan the fires of class hatred while destroying the lives of working men and women.
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There is definitely something wrong when CEOs make so much more money than the workers on the line so to speak. Especially, given the stock options and other forms of compensation they get. What really makes it obscene and immoral, is that they get paid in most cases without any regard for their performance. If they cause the company to go bankrupt or lose millions in revenue.... they still make the big chunk of change.
I also think that there is something wrong when the professions that help and contribute to foundations of society, like child care workers and teachers, are often the worst compensated.
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Hey Cam, I think my avatar is distracting you too, maybe the wombat?:
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Ian...I don't think you're on the same track on this one. Must be a language/cultural thing. Let me try to explain from my perspective.
First NO ONE is assigning any more blame to the woman than the man. Obviously they are both to blame but often in America...the guy splits and the woman is left holding the bag for the bad decision she and the guy made and another kid is at risk. In my opinion this is one of the biggest tragedies in our black communities today...
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I didn't say a thing about single mothers. S'matter of fact I'm all on their side, it's tough on them, and especially tough on the kids who we expect to grow up to be productive members of society. Put the money in housing and education while the're young and you won't have to support them when they're having families.
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Once you dispense with the immediate consequenses of an action, that action tends to become more prevelant. Add in the acceptance of sex as a recreational activity based on self-indulgence, the erasure of stigma, and the touting of well-to-do women seeking single motherhood, and you have the results we see today. And that's without even including the welfare incentive.
Top that off with a system that's more worried about people wearing seatbelts, than taking responsibility for families they father, and it just gets worse.
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I guess it's just the old lecher in me, but this thread is turning erotic. I'm starting to fantacize about sex as recreation, and well-to-do women seeking single motherhood. 
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Hey Cam, I think my avatar is distracting you too, maybe the wombat?:
I didn't say a thing about single mothers. S'matter of fact I'm all on their side, it's tough on them, and especially tough on the kids who we expect to grow up to be productive members of society. Put the money in housing and education while the're young and you won't have to support them when they're having families.
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That was neatly done , shifted the blame to poor old Ian, Wombat walks away unscathed. Oh yes !! Score one for the short and tubby.
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Score one for the short and tubby.
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In BHL speak, wouldn't that be vertically and horizonantally challenged?
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In BHL speak, wouldn't that be vertically and horizonantally challenged?
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Well if you are going to take such lattitudes with the Inglish langwidge i gess so. 
Ahoy, shipmates wots that on the horizon. Why it's the dreaded Horizon Ant !! They usually keep a safe distance, seemingly always just on the edge of one's peripheral vision but if you are not careful, whammo !! Thankfully, the sailors friend, the Ped Ant, is there to watch over us. Sleep easy in your beds. 
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Hey Rag, the girl with the magnificent cheeks (how do you know? cant see her face....) is a friend.
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