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[N0NJY]

In 1919, the German government passed the Regulations on Weapons Ownership, which declared that "all firearms, as well as all kinds of firearms ammunition, are to be surrendered immediately." Under the regulations, anyone found in possession of a firearm or ammunition was subject to five years' imprisonment and a fine of 100,000 marks. Gun politics in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Registration: The Nazi Paradigm - by Stephen P. Halbrook

This has been tried in the past, in 1941 in the United States:

In 1941, U.S. Attorney General Robert Jackson called on Congress to enact national registration of all firearms.8 Given events in Europe, Congress recoiled, and legislation was introduced to protect the Second Amendment. Rep. Edwin Arthur Hall explained: "Before the advent of Hitler or Stalin, who took power from the German and Russian people, measures were thrust upon the free legislatures of those countries to deprive the people of the possession and use of firearms, so that they could not resist the encroachments of such diabolical and vitriolic state police organizations as the Gestapo, the Ogpu, and the Cheka."9

Registration: The Nazi Paradigm - by Stephen P. Halbrook

The American Riflemen for February 1942 reported:

From Berlin on January 6th the German official radio broadcast--"The German military commander for Belgium and Northern France announced yesterday that the population would be given a last opportunity to surrender firearms without penalty up to January 20th and after that date anyone found in possession of arms would be executed."

So the Nazi invaders set a deadline similar to that announced months ago in Czecho-Slovakia, in Poland, in Norway, in Romania, in Yugo-Slavia, in Greece.

How often have we read the familiar dispatches "Gestapo agents accompanied by Nazi troopers swooped down on shops and homes and confiscated all privately-owned firearms!"

What an aid and comfort to the invaders and to their Fifth Column cohorts have been the convenient registration lists of privately owned firearms--lists readily available for the copying or stealing at the Town Hall in most European cities.

What a constant worry and danger to the Hun and his Quislings have been the privately owned firearms in the homes of those few citizens who have "neglected" to register their guns!16

(Same link as above, quotation)

The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.
--- Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitlers Tischegesprache Im Fuhrerhauptquartier 1941-1942.

I guess I'll leave you with this thought....

If you are ever in the situation where the government choses to seize your weapons and throw you in a political prison - wouldn't you at least want the chance to stand and defend yourself against them, even if you might lose? Or would you prefer to go to that prison for "re-education"?

I guess it is all in how you view the world about you.

[Rockter]

Cardiac :

In the UK they took every last one of them from the law abiding, and left the criminals with them a-plenty.

It was not legally-held firearms causing the vast majority of gun crime, after all. The occasional legally-held gun was used for killing, but it was very occasional indeed.

After the total ban on handguns, gun crime just went on rising, and is still rising.

The people of the UK must feel so much safer now.
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[hellosailor]

Ray, I keep asking one dumb question and no one from either side (including the NRA and SAF) will give me any answer.

If a poll tax or voter registration fee is an illegal restraint on the right to right,
Isn't a gun registration fee an equally illegal fee on the right to keep & bear arms?

Forget all the rest, the problem is not enough scoundrels have been shot in the last hundred years. Or ridden out of town on split rails, Colonial Style. Ah, the loss of a fine tradition.

[Bene505]

In DC they passed a law that you had to go register your gun (or register every year, or something like that). Then they simply stopped funding the office that did the registrations. Simple, effective anti-gun done in a backdoor way.

At work, I make sure certain things get done to systems. The very first thing I do is put together (ask for) a list of all of them. Once I know where they are, I can put much pressure on things to happen.

As soon a govt. starts registering guns, it's a one-way trip to slavery and death camps. Period. No other end fits that purpose.

[MtnMike]

Originally Posted by cardiacpaul

Along with a stack full of other stuff.
Heres the problem I have with all of the pabulum.
WHY was it was enacted? It had to be as a CONDITION of the
TREATY OF VERSAILLES, (you've heard of it, right? )
they were made to get rid of everything remotely connected to anything going "bang" ok? this makes me NOT want to read the rest of the stuff. at all.

Perhaps I didn't search deep enough, but the "The Treaty of Versailles" didn't regulate personal possesion at all. It did however regulate the size of Germanys standing army and banned the import and export of ammunition.
Now I wonder why they confiscated all the amunition?

[hellosailor]

cp, the German nation/people did not fully disarm "except for farm" whatever in 1919.

As you may have heard, the new Nazi government put out a request in 1938 (39?) saying that good Germans had no need for their weapons, the State would protect them, to surrender their guns. Well, there WERE GUNS in the country and in the cities as well, and the Good Germans did surrender them as their government requested.

Then they were marched into boxcars by said same government, and had damn near no weapons with which to fight back--because they had just surrendered them.

Now, how many of those weapons came into being between 1919 and 1938 I have no idea, but somehow, the civilian population in Germany did indeed acquire weapons. And foolishly surrendered them.

The bottom line is that our own founding fathers discussed the same situation, and IIRC it was a comment in the Federalist Papers to the extent that the only thing worse than having to throw down a tyrannical or corrupt government AGAIN, was the thought of having to do so without arms.

And that, my friends, is the ugly reason why we have a second amendment. To ensure that the militia--which is intended to be community based and loyal to the government--but not government based--has the LOCAL military power necessary for an armed revolution.

If anyone thinks that's dangerous--they're not ready to live in a democracy, much less to have the right to vote and decide how one is run. For the past 150 years the Federal government has badmouthed the militia concept because of abuses following our Civil War. And the concept is a difficult one. But that doesn't make it one iota less valid, or necessary, for the internal preservation of a free state.

[Boasun]

TWIC, Transportation Idenification Card. IS required for all of us who have to work on commerical vessels and to enter the ports where your vessel is moored. The people who work in those ports have to have one also. And at $135 US to me it is another tax. And if you don't have one, you need to be escorted everywhere in that port. And that is not the Escort service you find in the big cities.
Photos, fingerprinted and a computer chipped card. FBI back ground check and so forth...
This is on top of our USCG documents & Licenses... And those fees are $145 US

And we call this country the Land of the Free??? Yeah Right!?

[jrd22]

Thanks Ray for the heads up on this. Time to contact my elected officials - for all the good that will do in the liberal state of Washington.

[erps]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

Ray, I keep asking one dumb question and no one from either side (including the NRA and SAF) will give me any answer.

If a poll tax or voter registration fee is an illegal restraint on the right to right,
Isn't a gun registration fee an equally illegal fee on the right to keep & bear arms?

Good question. Wikipedia indicates the Supreme Court found that poll taxes violated the "equal protection clause" of the constitution.

Poll tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[hellosailor]

Yup. But in many cities, you'll still have to pay $50-125 per year to keep your weapon registered, or to keep a permit for it.