Unite Left Wing Evangelicals!

[xort]

looks like smaky couldn't control himself for more than a week.

[PBzeer]

Though it strays from the topic, let me reiterate this one more time for sck. Opposition to the means of achieving a goal does not automatically mean one is against the goal. The Left has many admirable goals, it is merely their means of achieving them that I disagree with. (Why I bother explaining this basic concept ..... or need to, is beyond me)

As to why is the title an oxymoron, that lies in the definition of evangelical. One of the components of which is following the Word of God. If that needs further explanation, there's no point in trying to.

[smackdaddy]

Xort, dude, seriously - are you guys really this thin-skinned? For crying out loud, it's a legit question. It's also in the correct forum made for such discussions. And it's also in a forum that currently has an ad at the top of it with a picture of POTUS and the following words: "Barack the Magic Negro - Offensive?", and a thread entitled "All the ways liberals suck". I mean, c'mon.

Several people have been able to discuss this it without wiggin'. And I've contributed thoughts to it without punking anyone. So you guys really need to chill out!

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

Though it strays from the topic, let me reiterate this one more time for sck. Opposition to the means of achieving a goal does not automatically mean one is against the goal. The Left has many admirable goals, it is merely their means of achieving them that I disagree with. (Why I bother explaining this basic concept ..... or need to, is beyond me)

As to why is the title an oxymoron, that lies in the definition of evangelical. One of the components of which is following the Word of God. If that needs further explanation, there's no point in trying to.

PB - being serious here, your last 2 sentences are pretty telling - I think. Are you saying that the left doesn't follow the word of God and the right does? That sounds a little too cut-and-dried to me.

[PBzeer]

What I'm saying smack, is that there are aspects of the Left's agenda, that are contrary to the Word of God as recorded in the Bible. Foremost would be the admonishment to "hate the sin, love the sinner".

This is not to say that the Left is not, nor can not be, Christian. It merely means that their definition of Christianity is at odds with the evangelical one. I'm not debating which, if either, is right or wrong, as that is a question of personal belief, I'm merely illustrating why your title is an oxymoron.

[smackdaddy]

PB,

Ahh, I see. I would counter, though, that this "oxymoron" can be applied to both sides if you consider the big picture.

Look at the Beatitudes. That's a pretty high bar if you ask me. And one that I think virtually everyone falls short of - even the most saintly evangelical. Furthermore, I think some might consider some of the language in those a bit "leftist" - and have some pause trying to figure out how to reconcile them politically. It's pretty tough...at least in my opinion.

So I don't see that the term is really oxymoronic in the sense of religion. Maybe just in the sense of politics.

(BTW - Danj, good post. But I think some of it falls victim to the above. I think a lot of lefties argue the same "forcing of ideals" - or legislating morality - against the righties. It's interesting that both sides use the same argument, eh?)

[PBzeer]

smack - you confuse the achievement of a goal, with the striving towards that goal. To me, there is nothing in the Beatitudes that isn't universal. And, were such possible in this life, it would be heaven on earth. But, man is not without sin, even in the acceptance of Christ as his Saviour.

As I said before, one's faith is a personal choice and decision. One should though, if they belong to a church or particular theological persuasion, adhere to the beliefs of that church. Not, try to alter the church to conform with them.

[danjarch]

(BTW - Danj, good post. But I think some of it falls victim to the above. I think a lot of lefties argue the same "forcing of ideals" - or legislating morality - against the righties. It's interesting that both sides use the same argument, eh?)

I agree with you for the most part. Never have considered my self an evangelical. The line " render onto ceaser that which is ceaser's" I believes precludes pushing one's beliefs into the political spectrum. However, on the trip from being a christmas christian to really pondering the teachings in the bible, takes a man a lot closer to the right side of politics in America, where indivigual liberty and religious freedom is promoted then the left side where religion is subservent to political correctness, and indivigual liberty is brushed aside in the quest for social goals.

Wasn't always the way it was but has become so these days. The evangelical community lies somewhere between those just sitting in the pew for an hour a week, and those really thinking about what the meaning of bible passages are instead of just parroting back what they've been told.

[painkiller]

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

Look at the Beatitudes.

I love their earlier albums. Their later stuff is just too experimental.

[xort]

most of the inner city baptist church is very solidly liberal, or at least married to the democrat party. yet they fall into the description of 'clinging to their bible and their guns'