So you still think we're not headed there ??

[poopdeckpappy]

We have heard Obama and the left speak of Gun Control, a Nationalize Civil Military as well funded and equip as the US Military. We have heard the Fairness Doctrine being re-enacted and we have all seen and heard the media with their extremely biased reporting on the Obama Administration, while the conservative side is in the process of being silenced.

We have seen Obama's picture on coin, plates,( both paper and china seriously ) and Christmas cards and I'm sure we've all seen the artwork of Obama that resembles every dictator's portait you've ever seen hanging from anywhere & everywhere they can hang one.

Now we have two new OH Sh*Ts !!, Obama wants the Pentagon to slash 55 billion out of the budget ( Why ???) and, Rep Hastings (D) of Florida has put forth a bill ( H.R. 645 ) which is a directive to Home land Security that, so far, has flown under the radar. This billing has people on both sides concerned as to the extent this bill may be used.

Some say, in light of what we have seen and heard over the last 18 months coming out of the Obama Admin and the left, this bill, if enacted could set the ground work for concentration camps under the cloak of FEMA.

Originally Posted by H.R.645

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

As a citizen and tax payer I ask why ? why are they needed, why 6 ?? and why on a Military base ???



What is being said about it:

The proposed bill, which has received little mainstream media attention, appears designed to create the type of detention center that has many concerned about the use of the military in domestic affairs and the fear they could be used as concentration camps for political dissidents.

The bill also appears to expand the president's emergency power, much as the executive order signed by President Bush on May 9, 2007, that gave the president the authority to declare an emergency and take over the direction of all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments without even consulting Congress.

And for all you Chaney/Halliburton haters

DHS has awarded a $385 million contract to Houston-based KBR, Halliburton's former engineering and construction subsidiary, to build temporary detention centers on an "as-needed" basis in national emergency situations.

Are ya worried yet ??, this IS a whole lot of " Change you can believe in " ...............to steal the phase

[lbdavis]

PDP,

Could you please elaborate for me? I would like to know more about how:

6 national emergency centers on military installations.

become:

the type of detention center that ... could be used as concentration camps for political dissidents.

I hear what you're saying, I just don't follow the leap in logic.

[PBzeer]

LB - it's not his leap, it's the comments of others. It would be nice to know though what they read that leads them to that conclusion.

[erps]

My son was just asking me if I had heard anything about these emergency camps the other day. He was listening to a talk radio show on the internet that was raising the alarm. My guess is that they are supposed to be places where folks displaced by natural disasters can go get a cot?


Doh! On this website they talk about:

The center would also be available to use in the event of a regional or national act of political disobedience. The facilities are to be secured with fences and guard towers.

Be afraid, be very afraid. H.R. 645 National Emergency Centers - NATIONAL, Part of the Red County Network

[lbdavis]

Originally Posted by erps

My son was just asking me if I had heard anything about these emergency camps the other day. He was listening to a talk radio show on the internet that was raising the alarm. My guess is that they are supposed to be places where folks displaced by natural disasters can go get a cot?


Doh! On this website they talk about:



Be afraid, be very afraid. H.R. 645 National Emergency Centers - NATIONAL, Part of the Red County Network

Erps,

My original post was not meant to imply that I thought the leap in logic was PDP's, I was only stating there was a leap.

I would have thought that National Emergency Centers would supply cots for people displaced by natural disasters as well.

This article seems to make the same leap that was made by PDP's sources, however.

I'm not saying it's not true, but all I'm seeing here is gossip.

[PBzeer]

If there are indeed, plans for things such as guard towers and fences, within a military installation, then it would be logical to assume they are meant as more than simply shelters. And as Obama is on record as wanting a National Civilian Defense agency with a budget as big as the entire military, the assumptions don't seem that outlandish.

[lbdavis]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

If there are indeed, plans for things such as guard towers and fences, within a military installation, then it would be logical to assume they are meant as more than simply shelters. And as Obama is on record as wanting a National Civilian Defense agency with a budget as big as the entire military, the assumptions don't seem that outlandish.

I still don't see it as a logical conclusion. "If" is a big word. There are assumptions that have been posted as fact. That's my point here. My only point here.

Perhaps military establishments were chosen for a location for these services because they are already built and have infrastructure able to handle masses. Perhaps towers and fences are being erected to protect against atrocities being committed amongst those masses, just like in the Superdome. Perhaps it's a ruse to pour untold thousands of kittens into woodchippers without anyone ever knowing.

There are as many assumptions to be made as there are imaginations in the world.

We could do this all day and it does no good.

[PBzeer]

Well, until I root out more factual info, I take them as assumptions. Saying neither they are accurate or not. I'm merely pointing out there is sufficient background not to dismiss them out of hand.

Of particular interest at this point, is the location of the proposed centers geographically. Are they in areas with a history of the need for such installations for natural disasters?

[poopdeckpappy]

1) We know that the left wants gun control and some far lefties want a total ban

2) We know Obama wants a well funded & equipped Nationalized Civilian Military

3) We know that the mainstream media is far left biased and in the tank for Obama

4) We know Congress want's opposing points of veiw stopped.

5) We know Obama want to cut funding to the Military by 55 billion

6) We have H.R. 645, (which, for all we know, is in the hands of the Senate right now hiden inside the stimulus Bill)

If the idea of those first 5 items did not sit well, but were forced upon you rather you liked it of not, you'd became actively vocal,would you not ??, if so, you are now a dissident.

Now ask yourself the why's of item # 6 (HR 645), why do we need them, why 6 and why on Military bases? When you can't come up with a desent answer, that leap of logic from national emergency centers to camps for political dissidents becomes a very small step.

Remember the EO that allows a President to declare a National Emergency and assume all control without council is already in place, if this administration dropped the hammer right now setting this country on it's a$$ there would be some extremely pissed off and vocal people and that could be all it takes to declare a state of emergency.


As PB said, none of the logic in the original post was mine, nor would I go so far as to call it gossip, it was the concerns of both side of the political field, members of the House and Congress, why THEY came to this or those conclusion should make you wonder, why THIS bill was so non mainstream should also make you wonder.

Personally, my opinion is the sum of all I see, hear and read and their concerns make me wonder what they see, hear and feel that we aren't


So that's it for Conspiracy 101 you can add to it or label it bullsh*t, but if you lable it BS you have to have good reason why

[Joel73]

These types of things were said by extreme lefties about Bush & Co over the last several years. I thought they were interesting but off base. I think that now too.