Hey! Taxes are Voluntary: Harry Reid

[US27inKS]

I think Harry is more right than we may be giving him credit for.

Check this out, in one of the many web sites that a conspiracy theorist customer is always after me to look at, I found this anomaly. So I checked it out on the irs web site. When the IRS sends a "notice of levy" to everyone who may have control of your assets (bank, mortgage co.), title 26, section 6331 is printed on the back. Conspicuously missing is paragraph (a), the document actually starts on paragraph (b). If you go to the IRS web site and dig to find section 6331, all you can find are references to bulletins. In those bulletins you will find section 6331(a) quoted like this:

“If any person liable to pay any
tax neglects or refuses to pay the
same within 10 days after notice
and demand, it shall be lawful
for the Secretary to collect such
tax . . . by levy upon all property
and rights to property (except
such property as is exempt under
section 6334) belonging to such
person or on which there is a lien
provided in this chapter for the
payment of such tax.2

To view the actual tax code, you are redirected off the IRS web site (seems fishy to me) where you can search for the title and section. The actual IRS code reads like this (bold added):

(a) Authority of Secretary
If any person liable to pay any tax neglects or refuses to pay the same within 10 days after notice and demand, it shall be lawful for the Secretary to collect such tax (and such further sum as shall be sufficient to cover the expenses of the levy) by levy upon all property and rights to property (except such property as is exempt under section 6334) belonging to such person or on which there is a lien provided in this chapter for the payment of such tax. Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such officer, employee, or elected official. If the Secretary makes a finding that the collection of such tax is in jeopardy, notice and demand for immediate payment of such tax may be made by the Secretary and, upon failure or refusal to pay such tax, collection thereof by levy shall be lawful without regard to the 10-day period provided in this section.

Along with many other anomalies in the tax code, does this mean we actually do voluntarily pay our taxes, and voluntarily go to jail if we don't?

US CODE: Title 26,6331. Levy and distraint

[Winderlust]

US,

If you really believe it, I think you should hire a good tax attorney hold back your taxes and see what happens. I hope that you don't really believe it and will save yourself a hell of a lot of missery.

Actually, a good tax attorney would not advise you to hold back you taxes.

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by Winderlust

US,

If you really believe it, I think you should hire a good tax attorney hold back your taxes and see what happens. I hope that you don't really believe it and will save yourself a hell of a lot of missery.

Actually, a good tax attorney would not advise you to hold back you taxes.

It's not really about what I believe, and I do pay my taxes. In fact, being a small business owner, I can assure you that I pay more than my share. What is is about, is what the tax code actually says. I'm not making it up, nor did I get this info from a conspiracy web site. I got it from the IRS because (like any sane person) I believe about 1/4 of what I read on the net, and only if I can cross reference it.

It does strike me as odd that Reid would go on and on about taxes being voluntary, and then to have such things as this in our tax code. It seems very devious and underhanded that the notice to levy omits paragraph a, and there is only an abridged version of it on the IRS web site.

If you can find the full version of section 6331(a) on the IRS web site, would you post a link for me?

[WanderingStar]

US, reading that section only tells me what I knew: if you don't pay you taxes they will take the money from your accounts, your salary and your property. Doesn't sound voluntary.

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by WanderingStar

US, reading that section only tells me what I knew: if you don't pay you taxes they will take the money from your accounts, your salary and your property. Doesn't sound voluntary.

I agree that levy's are used in that manner, but does this describe you?

any officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of Columbia

and why would they omit paragraph (a) from the notice to levy? If you look at the tax code (or any law for that matter) paragraph (a) defines the scope of the code or law's authority. Why would it be omitted from the notice if it were not being used improperly?

This is a little long, but very interesting.



part 2

[Winderlust]

I didn't think the original post was that confusing; in fact the video is pretty much to the point: the current Senate Majority Leader is an idiot or a liar or both.

Why am I so confused now?

[southernwind]

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Let's "hope" that at least 10% of the 55% voting fools in this country gain some wisdom by Nov. 2010.
Lets hope so. But I am not holding my breath.

With jerks like Hary Reid, Nancy Pelosi and clowns like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd we are in a big mess.

Maxine Waters is a real winner.
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dont forget Natzi Pelosi's backup Darth Vader Ginsburg

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by Winderlust

Why am I so confused now?

I think that's kind of the point. The tax code is so confusing, that even the IRS doesn't understand it. I've looked at a few different (very lengthy) videos from different sources highlighting the fact that there is no income tax code that applies to US citizens deriving income from US sources. One of the many points made against the IRS is the repeated use of the word "voluntary" or the phrase "voluntary compliance" in IRS publications. Voluntary compliance seems to be an oxymoron. Either the taxes are voluntary, or you are compelled to pay them. You cannot be "Voluntarily compelled" to do anything.

One of the really good videos I watched was done by an old man who is now rotting in prison. During his trial, the judge held him in contempt of court for citing IRS code, and relevant case law. The US attorney who prosecuted the case told the jury that if they found him innocent, they would be breaking the law. If I were on the jury, I would take that to mean that the IRS would come after me next. The jury also asked for a full copy of Title 26 (tax code) but the judge wouldn't allow it, stating that it would be "problematic".

I would not recommend that anyone not file a tax return, but I'm really starting to call into question the integrity of our government with relation to taxes.

If you want links to good videos that show what title 26 really says, I'll pm you the links.