List of Cool Republicans

[PBzeer]

Which religious crackpots have dictated policy? Or are even in a position to do so, whomever the GOP might elect? You keep talking about straw men when your whole argument is based on one.

There is no litmus test for evangelic fervor to be in the GOP. Never has been, never will be. Except in the minds of those who seek to create it by saying it exists.

[craigimass]

Originally Posted by PBzeer

Which religious crackpots have dictated policy? Or are even in a position to do so, whomever the GOP might elect? You keep talking about straw men when your whole argument is based on one.

There is no litmus test for evangelic fervor to be in the GOP. Never has been, never will be. Except in the minds of those who seek to create it by saying it exists.

Falwell (met with president regularly)
Graham (same)
Vast numbers of bible thumpers met with Bush, including gay meth-taking Haggart, and he claimed Bush took his calls.
Palin - has African witch doctors cast out the spells from her.
Nancy Reagan - Oh, that was astrology, I think.......
John Hagee - crazy man heavily influenced DC politics in terms of the Middle East, etc....he believes the rapture could happen any minute - seriously. He says he wakes up each day expecting it.

and MANY MANY more.

Even GW's Dad said (told GW) that he was nuts for bringing his religion into public life. Obviously, Dad knows more that you.

[craigimass]

>>>Conservatism is what Reagan sold and its what returned the republican party to relevance>>>>>

No, Reagan sold selfishness and self-interest - and in the process converted over a bunch of tired democrats - so-called Reagan Democrats.

Yes, I do agree - that the only way the GOP can achieve any traction now is to a similar thing again. But that is going to tough! Still, Americans have a really short memory, so it as likely as anything else.

Reagan would roll over in his grave at 90% of the Bush Doctrines. Many in the GOP know that, but not enough of them....obviously. There is a rabid 20% of the electorate who would support Bush even if he instituted Marshall Law and started a nuclear war. There is about 26% of the electorate who, in general, would support him even as bad as things have gotten now.

So it is sort of empty when members of the GOP say they disavow him and his politics. After all, who did they pull the lever for? And where are they in the polls....they don't show up.

And, yes, the GOP as it sits right now is 100% playing to the religious right - and (if you do some reading) laughing about them behind their backs. That's OK, because really...where else are the fanatics gonna go? They have to support the person who claims to talk to the lord. Nothing else will do.

[sailaway21]

Originally Posted by SOUNDBOUNDER

Since I am not an Evangelical, then I am not a true patriot??????


Sorry, but I am not buying it.

You made some points that I agreed with. I voted for Reagan, and I believe that the Republican party has validity.

However, I have, and will continue to dismiss the idea that religion should dictate our policy. I don't want religious crackpots dictating our foreign policy.

Whom said anything about being evangelical? Oh, you did! I mention the Creator and you go off on the evangelicals. You're probably a patriot but apparently you're a confused one. It could be worse; things are apparently much worse in New Jersey's school systems.

Religion does not dictate our policy. Religion speaks to the individual's soul and morality. The individual as part of a large group of individuals decide whom we shall elect, and they dictate our foreign policy. You have the right idea, just the wrong continent. You'll want to look towards the Asian continent, specifically the Middle East, for what you are describing, or perhaps London on a more recent day.

Do you know anyone of a religious nature whom is not a crackpot? Perhaps you'd care to amplify on the differences between the conventionally religious and the religious crackpot.

I voted for Ronald Reagan, twice, and I'm not at all sure the Republican Party has any validity left. But then, I'm a conservative.

[craigimass]

Falwell and Haggart are crackpots. Many like them....

I worked for non-profits headed by priests who were and are definitely not crackpots. Catholics in this case, although I suppose they could be any religion.

Most non-crackpot religious figures would not be involved in politics to the degree that the crackpots have.......like telling people how to vote, that they would go to hell for supporting a certain candidates, etc.

It's pretty easy to see who the crackpots are. They usually sow seeds of hate and discord and fear. Those who are truly religious sow good things. Of course, lots of non-religious people also sow good (and bad) seeds...with the resulting fruit.

[Freesail99]

Speaking of cool ....

Todd Palin: $150K on clothes 'out of our control'

WASHINGTON – The husband of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says the Republican Party's lavish spending on her wardrobe during the presidential campaign was "out of our control." In the May issue of Men's Journal, Todd Palin was asked about the more than $150,000 that the Republican National Committee spent on clothes, accessories and beauty services for the GOP vice presidential nominee. He defended his wife, saying she was focused on preparation for her debate with Joe Biden.


Full story here:

Todd Palin: $150K on clothes 'out of our control'

[sailhog]

The guy who played Arnold on Welcome Back Kotter. In fact, I think several of the Sweathogs were Republicans. I could be mistaken.

[Bene505]

No G. Gordon Liddy on the list?

I'm not entirely happy with the Republican party. At one point they had the House, Senate and White House at the same time. And with a 1-page law they could have nullified every gun law in the country and in every state. Or at least for the arms that don't require a federal stamp.

If they are really what they say they are, they missed a rare opportunity to remind us of the 2nd ammendment and roll back decades of (dare we call it) oppression.

Liberals, they seem crazy, yet I don't personally blame some of them. My father was on the train when that crazy guy shot a whole bunch of people on Long Island, NY. They wife of one of the people shot is our representative. She is so focused on the gun as opposed to the guy who ACTUALLY killed her husband. I disagree with her completely, but I can see where she's coming from. That was enough to make one go crazy, probably. Can't blame her.

Anyway, the best man lost and the airbag won. The liberal press goes on distorting anything political. Wisdom comes slowly to a people. We'll get there.

[sailaway21]

CP,
The Dem's, specifically Obama, are not beholden to the crackpot religious left, and Rev Wright is a leftist practicing a black liberation philosophy that is more political than theological, because no one believes that Obama really believes anything of a religious nature that would inform his politics. The result? He gets to have it both ways.

All of the angst is over what a politician whom happens to be an evangelical is going to do in elective office. Contrast that pol, who's open about how his faith informs the rest of his life, with the Catholic JF Kerry who informs us to not worry about his Catholicism because he doesn't. You just cannot make this stuff up.

[sailhog]

Cher.