More Leftist lunacy

[WouldaShoulda]

Originally Posted by erps

To so lightly dismiss the view point of the other side surprises me from someone who seems to be educated.

I'd just get used to it if I wuz you!

[craigimass]

Originally Posted by drynoc

The fact of the matter here is that the liberals are once again willing to use the power of the government to dictate participation, rather than results, and are willing to do so notwithstanding the damage it may do in other areas. Control freaks, one and all.

The original post didn't even give a link! And it went on an ranted about Nazis.

I suppose you should let your daughters read that and ask them what they thinks.......

Once again, some colleges are PRIVATE (you know what that means, right?), others are PUBLIC but they use a lot of private money including endowments. It might just be that an endowment of scholarship actually specifies that it to "advance women in the sciences".....do you have a problem with that too?

Again, radicals can pick out any word or program or action and come up with this BS about it. If you or I had 150 people (like the AEI) sitting around in expensive real estate all day long...and our "job" was to do this, we could find many examples on all sides of the table.

I hope your daughters receive a fine liberal education, which is of tremendous value even if they end up disagreeing with daddy.

[craigimass]

Originally Posted by erps

one of the advances in stem cell research is that it is no longer necessary to harvest stem cells from baby brains. They can get it from adult bone marrow now too. You probably already knew that because you're probably a donor.

You probably know that because you listened to some right wing news outlet.

Of course, you also know that the embryonic stem cells are much more flexible in what they can "become", as well as the fact that they come from fertilization clinics like the one which just created Octomom.

I'm sure you would rather her have had 10 babies implanted in her instead of 8, but the fact remains that these clinics have vast numbers of "lives" that they do not need.

Now, if you will pardon me, I must shed some "lives" (take a shower and cut my fingernails)....cry for me, please.

[erps]

Now, if you will pardon me, I must shed some "lives" (take a shower and cut my fingernails)....cry for me, please.

Thanks, that explains a lot on where you are coming from.

[PBzeer]

I don't think anyone would dub ABC any type of right wing news organization, so let's look at their "Reality Check" on alternatives. Reality Check: Embryonic Stem Cell Alternatives - ABC News

What I find interesting here (in so much as it tries to make the case for embryonic stem cells versus alternatives) is that they cite the alternatives only have potential, without acknowledging the fact that that is the same situation with embryonic stem cells.

It also doesn't mention that there was already Federally funded embryonic stem cell research that is on-going, using cells where the moral and ethical considerations are moot. The real issue isn't whether to fund the research, that already exists. What Obama has done is fund the harvest of new embryos, absent the moral and ethical considerations of such action.

For those who are only familiar with the characterization of Bush's position (and personally, it's one thing I can agree with him on), not his actual statement, take the time to read it: Text of Bush Speech on Embryonic Stem Cell Research

[craigimass]

Like Bush can honestly understand the issues...right!

I like Nancy Reagans take on the issue.....along with that of the majority (remember that word) of the American pubic and Scientific community.

Fact is, my fingernails WILL be able to recreate vast numbers of cells in the future. I guess you folks are against using placenta cells too, right?

SCIENCE, not religion or superstition, should guide our public and scientific policies. I know that is far out.....but I truly believe that.

[WouldaShoulda]

Science without ethics??

No, thank you.

[craigimass]

Did you have a problem with the Atomic Bomb?
Do you have a problem with scientists sitting around all day figuring out better ways to main and poison and bomb people?

If so, your stand is consistent and I applaud you. If no, you are a hypocrite like everyone else (including yours truly).

I assume that most scientists are smarter than I am. Therefore I assume it is not my job, in general, to second guess their quests for knowledge.

Once again, the solution is very simple. Vote in some people who want to set the country back and couple decades, and you will get exactly what you are looking for. Until then, I'm pleased we are forging ahead, albeit I would rather have full support...it ain't gonna happen.

[WouldaShoulda]

Originally Posted by craigimass

I assume that most scientists are smarter than I am. Therefore I assume it is not my job, in general, to second guess their quests for knowledge.

That scientists and doctors operate regularly without ethics should be as clear as the nose on Michael Jackson's face, even to you!!

More stem cell progress without objection or controversy...

BBC NEWS | Health | Stem cells 'can treat diabetes'

An experimental stem cell treatment has enabled patients with type 1 diabetes to go for as long as four years without insulin injections, researchers say.

A US-Brazilian project with 23 patients found most were able to produce their own insulin after a transplant of stem cells from their own bone marrow.

[craigimass]

You are obviously not a scientist...which is probably a good thing.

Scientists try out thousands...no, MILLIONS, of efforts in an attempt to find out what works.

Kudos if fingernails or bone marrow or anything else works.

Here is my opinion - stem cells, like the current ones, come from:
"The embryos being used in embryonic stem cell research come from eggs that were fertilized at in vitro fertilization clinics but never implanted in a woman's uterus because they were no longer wanted or needed."

In other words, they come from fertilization clinics - A PLACE WHERE MORE LIVES (THAN WOULD HAVE BEEN) ARE CREATED.

You might be able to make a case, and I might agree, if you said it would be unethical to use stem cells from aborted pregnancies.....although I would still support the use from spontaneous abortions (miscarriage - although I doubt they would want to use those!).

But I fail to see the ethics of NOT using those which are from a clinic which MAKES MORE BABIES than there would have been, and are being discarded anyway.

Now, if you do not support fertility clinics - or, if you think we should set up policies so that 100% of eggs in these clinics are forcibly inserted into females and made into babies, then your point makes sense.

If not, it does not - IMHO.