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Pray tell, esteemed moderator, is there any way that a topic can be flagged for responsed from Craigmass so that I can avoid the lunacy?
Please keep this sort of thing out of the thread itself. This thread has been derailed enough as it is.

Craig, tired old stem-cell debate aside, you have so far pointed out two "problems". Maybe "conditions in which the world finds itself" is a less loaded description, but whatever:

1) The numbers of women vs. men in various walks of life (engineer, university student, whatever) is not proportional to the number of women vs. men in the country.

2) The government funding (at various levels) for "traditionally male" vs. "traditionally female" activities is not proportional to the numbers of males vs. females in the country.

As a side note, it's interesting that you should care about what's traditionally male vs. traditionally female (terms you don't explicitly use, but you imply you believe they are important when you talk about sporting arenas as "stuff for boys").

Anyway, you advocate that the solution to both of these problems is the same: that the government should increase its funding in the neglected areas.

By an interesting and probably not coincidental symmetry, I advocate that solution to the second problem is that the government should decrease its funding in the "preferred" areas.

Without getting into the moral hazards of stem cell research, but just to use the ongoing debate as an example: you argue that it would be inconsistent to fund weapons programs such as the atomic bomb or poison gas, and yet not fund stem cell research for moral reasons. Your resolution? Fund the stem-cell research too!

I think there is some traditional wisdom that applies here: you seem to be advocating that, if your motivations are "pure" (i.e., you care about gender inequity, or you are moved by the plight of people with genetic defects), two wrongs can make a right.

The rest of us are, I think, one way or another, simply denying that claim. We believe, as our mothers told us, that two wrongs do not make a right. Instead, we (or at least I) would claim that we should undo the wrongs.

Unfortunately you also pointed out that, when it comes to sports stadia, it's a local decision and that majority rules. Actually I think municipal governments decide this sort of thing on their own without a referendum, though I could be wrong. However a referendum would not make it any better: the majority is not a very good ruler.
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It's not that two wrongs can make a right....
It's just that there is rarely such thing as "wrong" and "right" in those absolute terms. I'm thinking that is a major difference in world view between some on the left and some on the right - and, of course in religion also.

In my world, you don't go to EITHER heaven or hell.....by one marking point (71 goes to heaven, 69 to hell)......but rather you study the nuances of situations against ALL the various inputs and outputs. As PB so well put it, the holy grail of "fuzzy logic".....not meaning fuzzy in the sense of those of you who may have a few too many drinks- rather the current definition:

"Fuzzy logic is a form of multi-valued logic derived from fuzzy set theory to deal with reasoning that is approximate rather than precise. In binary sets with binary logic, in contrast to fuzzy logic named also crisp logic, the variables may have a membership value of only 0 or 1"

As you can see, right and wrong are 0 and 1.

If I were to accept right and wrong in that way, I would say that the killings and displacements of millions of Afghans and Iraqis by OUR forces is wrong. How can their be a question about that? Well, there is......among many. Welcome to the graduated scale of right, wrong, ethics, morality, philosophy, etc.

If there really was a right or wrong - it would simply be do under others....which certainly does not make dropping bombs and killing vast numbers of civilians right.

So I really cannot debate whether a science program which attempts to advocate for women is wrong or right in the sense you see it. Any side of most issues can be debated with shards of truth...sometimes more.

I'd rather not go through life always considering myself the victim of the numerous plots which seem to favor other people. All in all, I think being born a white and healthy male of relative means...in the USA in the 20th century - is hitting the jackpot. After that, it's all good. I have done very well finding ways to use my talents.
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