You think the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy have I been confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. Now I find that to be RIDICULOUS.
Hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until it is read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have also included the URL's for verification of all the following facts:
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge addition al crime problem in the US .
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ..
Verify at: http/:/www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
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The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
Are we THAT stupid?
If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you for ward it to every legal resident in the country including every elected Representative in Washington , D.C.-five times a week for as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof
Yawn......
I guess you didn't read the memo that the two wars will end up costing us 3-5 TRILLION plus lives (what is the value there?).....
or.....or.....or
ONLY TEN TIMES THE FIGURE YOU MENTION.....which, of course, is a completely bogus figure.
There are so many inaccuracies in that piece of BS that I am unable to address them one by one....but I will give you a few things to chew on....
1. The WARS cost us 100% in Federal dollars. The expenses above are spread among local, federal, state......as well as other (mostly imaginary) places.
2. MANY, and I mean MILLIONS of undocumented workers pay Social Security, Medicare and other fees - they use false SS numbers. Where do you think that money goes? Oh....yes, they pay in and they never get it out. It goes to YOU.
3. How much money do you save at the market on your chicken and lettuce because people pick it cheaply?
In other words, I could easily put together a bunch of numbers which showed that these workers actually MADE money for you....and, yes, they would be just as much BS as the numbers above.
Suppressed American Wages? OK, so you want to pay much more for your fruits, vegetables, meat and hotel rooms, etc.?
Again, a big bunch of BS in my opinion, but then again maybe I'm the rare American who doesn't want my kids working in chicken plucking plants.....
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-George Washington
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
Which point, PB?
Are Americans lining up for jobs picking in the field of Florida?
Actually, check out the wages. They make pretty good bucks - like $10 or more per hour if they pick quickly.
Of course, another factoid is that immigrants and "underclasses" have been doing these jobs for a century or longer. They were called "guest workers" and they came up for 3-6 months per year and then went back.
Here's some other math.......
Let's guess that all the services provided by guest workers...from plucking chickens to picking tomatoes to cleaning hotel rooms, to scrubbing public toilets, landscaping, construction and more.....
If all of these made it cost each of us 25 cents less per day for said burger, salad, hotel room, etc......
Why, that would be..........a savings of 75 million dollars per day - times 365 would equal 27 Billion per year right there......
As to ss numbers, these are used in duplicate (and much more) by millions of people. In fact, this is common knowledge among the credit reporting agencies who see this clearly since ss numbers are often used to check on credit for the illegals renting, etc.
I have heard what the number is - and it is in the millions - I forget exactly how many millions.
Well, a little personal experience here too......of how illegal immigrants make your friendly businessmen.....more money. My daughter had a very good friend...who I met a few times, who was here illegally and worked full time in a restaurant. First of all, he did use a fake ss and paid LOTS of taxes. Secondly, when the employer let him go - and this is very typical - the business owner did not pay him for the last two weeks of his work. This is also normal, and results in more money for the local small businesses....although I question the ethics of it.
Once again, calculating the exact $$ affect of our imported workforce is impossible - especially with the politics of scapegoating in full force.
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"I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation without having lodged somewhere a power which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner as the authority of the state governments extends over the individual states"
-George Washington
No matter what their cost, or value. I would like to seem them leave. I don't understand what people do not grasp about the word ILLEGAL?.......i2f
Don't you worry - they are leaving by the millions because there is not any more work. Construction has shut down.
We should concentrate more on making certain that the next time the economy improves, that employers are TRULY held to basic standards......
It's funny every time this comes up - Mitt Romney (our gov) was yelling about it while illegals were cutting his lawn, etc.
Fact is that BIG BUSINESS likes to have cheap workers who they can abuse and are not subject to benefits, pension, union or anything else.
I thought that was what the "right" liked? More and more pressure on the working man and wages.......???
Put business in charge and you get what you deserve. If they can make an extra buck at the expense of the American taxpayer, they will....every time. Doesn't matter if we are talking about a bank or a house builder.
And making employers enforce things won't do much good either. They often hire these people through "shell" companies, thereby making sure they are out of the chain when the chit comes down.
Ah, don't you love smart people??
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"I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation without having lodged somewhere a power which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner as the authority of the state governments extends over the individual states"
-George Washington
Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love. JCP
You think the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy have I been confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. Now I find that to be RIDICULOUS.
Hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until it is read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have also included the URL's for verification of all the following facts:
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: Center for Immigration Studies
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
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Verify at CNN.com - Transcripts
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: CNN.com - Transcripts
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: CNN.com - Transcripts
9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: CNN.com - Transcripts
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
Verify at: CNN.com - Transcripts
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: Congressman Michael McCaul : Home
12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ..
Verify at: http/:/www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
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The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
Are we THAT stupid?
If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you for ward it to every legal resident in the country including every elected Representative in Washington , D.C.-five times a week for as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof
Point 4: I would be willing to bet that every single one of those kids knows a word in english.
Point 5: These "anchor babies" are just as American as you are and have all the same rights. If you don't like education, just say it. I would personally rather fund teachers than killers.
Point 9: More obviously BS than any other point! There is no way that you can quantify a variable like "Suppressed american wages"...
Point 10: This is racist and presumptuous. For instance, there are plenty of white illegal aliens! Perhaps you have a kid? Well then who's to say whether or not he is going to be a criminal when he grows up? Not somebody on a sailing forum, that's for sure!
Point 11: "Terrorist Countries" are you effing kidding me? Define "Terrorist Country", this is bigoted nationalist rhetoric if I have ever heard it!
There are many other points here that I find untenable, but I find that the counter arguments I presented were the stronger ones.
1. Suppression of wages...so, every time we invent a machine or a new hybrid of plant which makes bigger fruit, easier to pick, or automates something - well, SOMEONE is losing out. I remember hearing this in the 1960's - that computers and robots would take our jobs!
You know what? They did, and we are much better off for it.
Take it from me, you can't "suppress" wages down too much lower than the GOP and Big Business has done in the last 30 years.
2. I'll bet the guy who wrote this BS smokes a lot of that illegal dope that comes across. America is the best market in the world for dope......for a reason!
3. HOW DARE THEY send back money to their families? Why, they should work and then give it to me. After all, make no mention of all the things that they actually PAY while they are here:
Rent
Utilities
Taxes (gas, sales, etc.)
In fact, they keep a lot of Americans employed servicing their needs.
So, we should get angry about some hard working dude making $10 an hour for picking twice as fast as we could, and then sending $5 of it home to his poor mom?
BUT, we should cheer when Dick Cheneys company and thousands of other American corporations move their HQ to others countries to AVOID paying taxes?
Hey, every time YOU buy something from China, YOU are suppressing American wages. And, you are sending your money overseas.
The problem is simply this. There are actual problems with our immigration policies - problems which need fixing. But as long as folks keep accepting and repeating all the BS that comes around by email, they are not fixing anything. In fact, they are making things worse by muddying up the problems and the solutions.
Heck, even Bush and McCain tried to help fix things...but the rabid right (educated by their emails) would have none of it. The party of no solutions.
It's not hard to fix these things. Legalize and tax dope and you'll kill two birds with one stone. Create an intelligent guest worker program to help those farmers who cannot survive without immigrant labor. Put some BIG penalties - even jail - for corporations which break the law knowingly....and don't let them use "shell" corporations to try to get away with it. Make them responsible for ALL contract labor they use.
Of course, what we forget to mention is that big business controls a lot of lobbyists in government...and they don't want to pay higher wages. Why should they?
As long as the reward to breaking the law exceeds the reward for following it, we get what we deserve....
Oh, and basically, we should accept the fact that our economy is based upon a LOT of people....both here and all over the world...having their wages suppressed.
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"I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation without having lodged somewhere a power which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner as the authority of the state governments extends over the individual states"
-George Washington
