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I have to wonder, do the global climate change nay-sayers, the creationists, and the flat earthers all share the same PO box?
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I love the "skeptics" label. It's like calling people who refuse to accept the existence of witches, gremlins and leprechauns "skeptics".

When someone on the affirmative has to resort to such nonsense it's as safe as a bet can get that he knows he's got nothing -- and doesn't care.
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I have to wonder, do the global climate change nay-sayers, the creationists, and the flat earthers all share the same PO box?
They have to -- by environmentalist decree.
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But Monckton's slide is meant as a vaguely humorous summation of actual facts.

The "skeptics" thing is meant to trivialize people who dare ask for a solid case before they surrender civilization to those greens, yellows and reds.
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I have to wonder, do the global climate change nay-sayers, the creationists, and the flat earthers all share the same PO box?
They have to -- (yada...yada...yada)
Ahh... that would explain why their arguments are often difficult to tell apart.
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But Monckton's slide is meant as a vaguely humorous summation of actual facts...
Well, while humor is often a personal judgement, vague does appear to be a specialty of Monckton.
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I love the "skeptics" label. It's like calling people who refuse to accept the existence of witches, gremlins and leprechauns "skeptics".

When someone on the affirmative has to resort to such nonsense it's as safe as a bet can get that he knows he's got nothing -- and doesn't care.
Exactly. Especially when skeptics deal with facts and science, and the "believers" can't understand anything.

Sea Level Rise - A Major Non-Existent Threat : FCPP - Frontier Centre for Public Policy

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From the IPCC 4th Assessment Report published in 2007, ocean thermal expansion contributed by ∼50% to the 3.1 mm/yr observed global mean sea level rise during the 1993–2003 decade, the remaining rate of rise being essentially explained by shrinking of land ice. Recently published results suggest that since about 2003, ocean thermal expansion change, based on the newly deployed Argo system, is showing a plateau while sea level is still rising, although at a reduced rate (∼2.5 mm/yr). Using space gravimetry observations from GRACE, we show that recent years sea level rise can be mostly explained by an increase of the mass of the oceans. Estimating GRACE-based ice sheet mass balance and using published estimates for glaciers melting, we further show that ocean mass increase since 2003 results by about half from an enhanced contribution of the polar ice sheets – compared to the previous decade – and half from mountain glaciers melting. Taking also into account the small GRACE-based contribution from continental waters (b0.2 mm/yr), we find a total ocean mass contribution of ∼2 mm/yr over 2003–2008. Such a value represents ∼80% of the altimetry-based rate of sea level rise over that period.We next estimate the steric sea level (i.e., ocean thermal expansion plus salinity effects) contribution from: (1) the difference between altimetry-based sea level and ocean mass change and (2) Argo data. Inferred steric sea level rate from (1) (∼0.3 mm/yr over 2003–2008) agrees well with the Argo-based value also estimated here (0.37 mm/yr over 2004–2008). Furthermore, the sea level budget approach presented in this study allows us to constrain independent estimates of the Glacial Isostatic Adjustment (GIA) correction applied to GRACE-based ocean and ice sheet mass changes, as well as of glaciers melting. Values for the GIA correction and glacier contribution needed to close the sea level budget and explain GRACE-based mass estimates over the recent years agree well with totally independent determinations.
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Consider the above image! Sea level rise was MANY TIMES greater than what we are NOT experiencing currently. And that was 16,000-20,000 years ago! I'm pretty sure there weren't any SUVs around then!

In fact, look at the graph! Notice that SEA LEVEL is rising after a glacial period. DUH. When ice forms, sea levels drop. When ice melts, sea levels rise. These are NORMAL, cyclical changes.

There is not a shred of evidence that any warming, if we are even experiencing warming, is induced by humans. ZERO. Not one single piece. In fact, the climate gate emails quote the scientists (Phil Jones, etc) as admitting that we've been cooling since 1998. And mathematically we can prove warming has been absent for over 10 years.

Anthropogenic global warming is a FREAKING JOKE, and the only people holding onto this BELIEF SYSTEM are MORONS.
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Ahh... that would explain why their arguments are often difficult to tell apart.
You're now changing the text you quote from other people's posts -- I'm stunned. (Part-time climate data sorter for the Red Yellow and Greens, no doubt.)
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Well, while humor is often a personal judgement, vague does appear to be a specialty of Monckton.
Once again: by what epistemological standard do you dismiss him and accept those on the affirmative?
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